[gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-25 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 20/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Thinking about this more, since apparently using a separate profile may just be 'overkill', how about something simpler, like, for example, using eselect... Something like: # eselect init list Available init systems: [1] OpenRC *

[gentoo-user] Re: technical review of systemd

2014-02-25 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 23/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: networkd (again, netctl is the command-line front-end) is not for enterprise networks; on the contrary, is for the trivial cases. For example, in a little web server I administer I have: $ cat /etc/systemd/system/network.service [Unit]

Gentoo+Gnome requires systemd, but Gnome itself does not? Why? - WAS: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-25 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2014-02-24 4:48 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: In Gentoo you need systemd, but that's a decision from the Gentoo maintainers. They do the job, they make the choices. Interesting. Now I have to spin off a new thread as to why this decision was made if it isn't forced by

Re: Gentoo+Gnome requires systemd, but Gnome itself does not? Why? - WAS: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 25/02/2014 14:40, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2014-02-24 4:48 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: In Gentoo you need systemd, but that's a decision from the Gentoo maintainers. They do the job, they make the choices. Interesting. Now I have to spin off a new thread as to why this

[gentoo-user] vixie cron: PAM ERROR

2014-02-25 Thread Grant Edwards
On a newly installed system, I'm getting error messages from vixie cron about PAM authentication errors: Feb 25 09:52:01 alpha crond[23085]: (root) PAM ERROR (Authentication failure) Feb 25 09:52:01 alpha crond[23085]: (root) FAILED to authorize user with PAM (Authentication failure) Feb 25

Re: Gentoo+Gnome requires systemd, but Gnome itself does not? Why? - WAS: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-25 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 25/02/2014 14:40, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2014-02-24 4:48 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: In Gentoo you need systemd, but that's a decision from the Gentoo maintainers. They do the job, they make the

Re: [gentoo-user] technical review of systemd

2014-02-25 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:09 AM, thegeezer thegee...@thegeezer.net wrote: [snip] using openrc if i reboot a system that requires fsck on /mnt/data it will do an fsck. but not log anything anywhere about the result, which is why i put this as a pro. Oh, I see; I hadn't understood this. does

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: technical review of systemd

2014-02-25 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 5:38 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: [snip] The way systemd services handle network whatever network manager you enable is the last thing preventing me from using systemd on servers. Seting up manual advanced setups on systemd looks crappy (if even

Re: [gentoo-user] vixie cron: PAM ERROR

2014-02-25 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.comwrote: On a newly installed system, I'm getting error messages from vixie cron about PAM authentication errors: Feb 25 09:52:01 alpha crond[23085]: (root) PAM ERROR (Authentication failure) Feb 25 09:52:01 alpha

[gentoo-user] Re: vixie cron: PAM ERROR

2014-02-25 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-02-25, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On a newly installed system, I'm getting error messages from vixie cron about PAM authentication errors: Feb 25 09:52:01 alpha crond[23085]: (root) PAM ERROR (Authentication failure) Feb 25 09:52:01 alpha crond[23085]: (root)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vixie cron: PAM ERROR

2014-02-25 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.comwrote: On 2014-02-25, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On a newly installed system, I'm getting error messages from vixie cron about PAM authentication errors: Feb 25 09:52:01 alpha crond[23085]:

[gentoo-user] Largest Thread Ever

2014-02-25 Thread john
What is the largest thread of emails ever gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org The debian just voted.. could possibly be a winner? Or can anyone else remember back into the depths of time. Long live Gentoo that's all I can say. Intelligent, well argued (but not always agreeing) emails

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: technical review of systemd

2014-02-25 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Feb 25, 2014 10:40 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 5:38 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: [snip] The way systemd services handle network whatever network manager you enable is the last thing preventing me from using systemd on

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: technical review of systemd

2014-02-25 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 25.02.2014 12:38, schrieb Nicolas Sebrecht: The way systemd services handle network whatever network manager you enable is the last thing preventing me from using systemd on servers. Seting up manual advanced setups on systemd looks crappy (if even possible with the provided tools)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-25 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 20/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Thinking about this more, since apparently using a separate profile may just be 'overkill', how about something simpler, like, for example, using eselect...