Re: [gentoo-user] Security

2014-03-21 Thread Ján Zahornadský
I'm not a professional, but I'd say that running as few services as possible contributes to the overall security be reducing the attack vectors (and Gentoo helps with that by not having that much by default). I usually opt only for ssh and use certificates rather than passwords... On Thu,

Re: [gentoo-user] Security

2014-03-21 Thread wraeth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 21/03/14 17:44, Ján Zahornadský wrote: Indeed, the smaller the surface area, the smaller the target (the fewer things running, the fewer things can be exploited). For an average desktop environment, doing what you're already doing, I think,

Re: [gentoo-user] Security

2014-03-21 Thread Philip Webb
140320 john wrote: After recently reading about Windigo, I am quesstioning how good my security is on my Gentoo box. I am only a desktop user with iptables and clamav installed and occasionally running chkrootkit. Would you recommend any other forms of security -- snort, selinux, hardened

Re: [gentoo-user] eix target per dir

2014-03-21 Thread Philip Webb
140320 James wrote: I often go to /usr/portage/target-dir and browse the packages under a given category, for example /usr/portage/media-sound . Rather that looking at the packages one at a time, It be nice to list all the packages in a (dir) group and the single line description. My

Re: [gentoo-user] Kworker use 80% of CPU

2014-03-21 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 20.03.2014 11:24, schrieb Tom Wijsman: On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 11:39:58 +0400 Gleb Klochkov glebiu...@gmail.com wrote: Tom, thank you for your answer. $ dmesg http://bpaste.net/show/187533/ There this can be seen: [ 18.074574] [drm] Wrong MCH_SSKPD value: 0x16040307 [

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tanstaafl
On 3/20/2014 5:48 PM, »Q« boxc...@gmx.net wrote: Why should Gentoo have a default? Defaults are always a good idea - as long as they are reasonable and rational. ISTM the only good reason is that not having a default would make the documentation a lot more complicated. Documentation,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 06:37:20 -0400 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 3/20/2014 5:48 PM, »Q« boxc...@gmx.net wrote: Why should Gentoo have a default? Defaults are always a good idea - as long as they are reasonable and rational. Depends on how you think about it; one could

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 17:23:05 -0400 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 3/20/2014 4:00 PM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:53:51 +0400 Andrew Savchenko birc...@gmail.com wrote: OpenRC is default in Gentoo now, and it is my best hope it will be. Do

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 17:25:18 -0400 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 3/20/2014 4:14 PM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: Tom - please STOP CC'ing me on these emails. I am on the list and don't need two copies. Use 'Reply-To-List' function (or equivalent - or worst case,

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 19:32:28 + Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: A login daemon should be started by the init system, not be an integral part of it. What happens when logind no longer fulfils developers needs, as is the case with ConsoleKit now, how can it be replaced with an

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 10:54:55 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Sun, February 16, 2014 22:16, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: oh? I can pipe that output into cat or any any daemon I like?

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 09:50:07 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: It all sounds too much like the MS Windows Event-viewer to me. Too many events with no usefull logging information (And I am referring to OS-level messages as to why default services are not starting) The MS Windows

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 23:00:43 +0400 Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: I wonder why all systemd's fancy stuff hasn't yet been integrated into any existing init system, because of theoretical impossibility or just practical uselessness? A lot of it is being integrated in some as we

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 07:57:06 -0500 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: Getting the Gentoo Council behind this idea, and providing an officially supported - or maybe a better term is *mandated* - process whereby systemd proponents can create and then maintain new systemd versions of any

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread J. Roeleveld
On 21 March 2014 12:24:04 CET, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 10:54:55 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Sun, February 16, 2014 22:16, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:50:23 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: Tom, Please reply to list. No need to include me in the recipient list. Please filter duplicate mails. No need to tell each other this. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Dale
Tom Wijsman wrote: On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 17:25:18 -0400 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 3/20/2014 4:14 PM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: Tom - please STOP CC'ing me on these emails. I am on the list and don't need two copies. Use 'Reply-To-List' function (or equivalent

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:13:28 +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote: Use 'Reply-To-List' function (or equivalent - or worst case, delete my direct email manually yourself) in your email program. Like everyone else, use the 'Filter duplicates' function in your email program or procmail; these requests

[gentoo-user] Gentoo on MacbookPro Retina

2014-03-21 Thread Michael Vetter
Hello, Since a few weeks I am using Gentoo Linux. I have used Debian for something like 12 years and now decided to switch. So far I really enjoy the learning experience with Gentoo. Up to know I have it only installed on an old Notebook, to play around with it. However I use it way too

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Fri, March 21, 2014 12:59, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:50:23 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: Tom, Please reply to list. No need to include me in the recipient list. Please filter duplicate mails. No need to tell each other this. I filter on the server, using

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 07:10:49 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: So let's get this straight. You want most everyone on this list to change what they have to do to remove dups caused by you, instead of you changing what you do to fix the problem? Everyone else is okay with it, as only one

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:27:09 + Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:13:28 +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote: Use 'Reply-To-List' function (or equivalent - or worst case, delete my direct email manually yourself) in your email program. Like everyone else, use

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Poison BL.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:27:09 + Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:13:28 +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote: Use 'Reply-To-List' function (or equivalent - or worst case, delete my direct email

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 13:41:54 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Fri, March 21, 2014 12:59, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:50:23 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: Tom, Please reply to list. No need to include me in the recipient list. Please

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 09:13:27 -0400 Poison BL. poiso...@gmail.com wrote: fighting on the topic of 'proper use of mailing lists' when you're standing in stark contrast to the configuration of the mailing list you're using to do it, Which fight? It is a short notice as to why it is being done,

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: How about the gentoo server or cluster in production environment?

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 14:53:22 -0300 Facundo Curti facu.cu...@gmail.com wrote: Debian, and Ubuntu are desktop platforms. Yes they are widely used in production server environments (the slow ones that is) however, our last experience with Debian squeeze as a whole (ie, source tree,

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple package instances ..... Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:54:43 + Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 01:32:36AM +0100, waben...@gmail.com wrote: Am Samstag, 22.02.2014 um 21:15 What do I have to do to get this thing emerged? Thanks! Sometimes it is helpful to increase the backtrack

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple package instances ..... Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 21:15:05 + Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: (media-libs/libpng-1.6.8::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by (no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in this slot) Whenever you see this, (no parents that ...), you'll want to be aware that there

Re: [gentoo-user] Compiles take much longer than in the past

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 15:53:44 +0100 Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: I'm observing on this olde Centrino laptop that emerges take much, much longer for certain packages than they did in the past. There are a lot more factors that could come into play here; degrading hardware, worse

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: banshee installation without systemd

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 03:11:25 +0100 eroen er...@falcon.eroen.eu wrote: One would hope (mostly for their image's sake) the gnome team does not remove gnome-settings-daemon-2 until at least one of cinnamon-settings-daemon and mate-settings-daemon are included in gentoo proper. + 05 Mar 2014;

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Fri, March 21, 2014 14:20, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 13:41:54 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Fri, March 21, 2014 12:59, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:50:23 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: Tom, Please reply to list. No need

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 15:06:12 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: Is that one included in the Cyrus ebuild? In Cyrus it is an actual feature, see the (first) FAQ[1] entry about Duplicate Delivery Surpression; in imapd.conf you can do duplicatesuppression: 1 to enable this. It

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Unable to access USB3 HDD / Pen drive

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 07:47:47 +0530 Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: Works perfectly. Looks like I've to downgrade to geek sources 3.13.4 in this case. Remember some thread about this on LKML; think this would have been fixed by now, does this still happen on more recent versions? If

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc-2.18 build problem

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 18:43:27 +0800 microcai micro...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I'm having trouble compiling glibc. No matter I tried with binutils 2.23 2.24. or - live version, I got ld internal error in x86_64_relocation . And the same error repeated with glibc-2.18 and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Unable to access USB3 HDD / Pen drive

2014-03-21 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On 21-Mar-2014 9:12 pm, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 07:47:47 +0530 Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: Works perfectly. Looks like I've to downgrade to geek sources 3.13.4 in this case. Remember some thread about this on LKML; think this would have

Re: [gentoo-user] World update and dev-lang/python-exec weirdness...

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 10:12:13 -0500 Todd Goodman t...@bonedaddy.net wrote: When you ask it to emerge dev-lang/python-exec it tries to emerge for all slots (I'm not sure, someone please correct me if that's not what's happening.) Consider what happened when you did `sys-kernel/gentoo-sources` in

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Dale
J. Roeleveld wrote: I filter on the server, using SIEVE-scripts. Please provide the correct syntax I need to do this. You are the only one causing duplicate emails, all others on this list do NOT cause duplicate emails. This means the cause is on your side and the solution should then also be

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Dale
Tom Wijsman wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 07:10:49 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: So let's get this straight. You want most everyone on this list to change what they have to do to remove dups caused by you, instead of you changing what you do to fix the problem? Everyone else is okay

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tanstaafl
On 3/21/2014 7:13 AM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 17:25:18 -0400 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 3/20/2014 4:14 PM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: Tom - please STOP CC'ing me on these emails. I am on the list and don't need two copies. Use

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Dale
Poison BL. wrote: Just my 2c as one of the others who doesn't generally reply to what, at face value, seemed an awful lot more combative/trolling of a tone than actually useful (disregard != compliance on the internet), fighting on the topic of 'proper use of mailing lists' when you're

[gentoo-user] No motherboard beep since kernel upgrade

2014-03-21 Thread null_ptr
Since the last kernel upgrade the motherboard beep of my system has gone silent. The notebook is a HP Compaq 6710b and with an Intel 82801H Chipset (see attached lscpi -k) Module for my sound card is running and SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP is activated in kernel config. Am I missing something else?

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Dale
Tanstaafl wrote: On 3/21/2014 7:13 AM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 17:25:18 -0400 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 3/20/2014 4:14 PM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: Tom - please STOP CC'ing me on these emails. I am on the list and don't need

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:41:03 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: FYI. Most people don't say anything, they just blacklist you. After that, you don't exist to them. Yes, that's up to those few; it could happen, but most respond instead. To my knowledge, the only emails I have not got

Re: [gentoo-user] No motherboard beep since kernel upgrade

2014-03-21 Thread Francesco Turco
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014, at 18:51, null_ptr wrote: Module for my sound card is running and SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP is activated in kernel config. Am I missing something else? Perhaps you need CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR.

Re: [gentoo-user] No motherboard beep since kernel upgrade

2014-03-21 Thread Dat G
On 21/03/14 19:54, Francesco Turco wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014, at 18:51, null_ptr wrote: Module for my sound card is running and SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP is activated in kernel config. Am I missing something else? Perhaps you need CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR. I tried building with that and it didn't fix

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 21/03/2014 20:23, Dale wrote: Tanstaafl wrote: On 3/21/2014 7:13 AM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 17:25:18 -0400 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 3/20/2014 4:14 PM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: Tom - please STOP CC'ing me on these emails.

Re: [gentoo-user] No motherboard beep since kernel upgrade

2014-03-21 Thread Lee
I can't think of the name of the module, pcspkr IIRC or some such, but it prolly isn't loaded. Modprobe can tell you if it's available load it. On Mar 21, 2014 12:41 PM, Dat G rhan...@gmx.de wrote: On 21/03/14 19:54, Francesco Turco wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014, at 18:51, null_ptr wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 02:29:48PM +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Procmail The mailing list etiquette requires people to CC all the people involved in a particular thread in replies to the mailing list, in case any of them is not subscribed. How does one send email

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 21/03/2014 23:57, Walter Dnes wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 02:29:48PM +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Procmail The mailing list etiquette requires people to CC all the people involved in a particular thread in replies to the mailing list, in case any of them is

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 17:57:07 -0400 Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: How does one send email to *THIS* list, without being subscribed in the first place? You can do that on sites like GMANE; similarly, given a message ID, you can request that specific from the mailing list daemon to

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 00:34:55 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: 2. A discussion forum. For these you do munge Reply-To: to be the list so all discussion happens on-list and is visible to all gentoo-user has always been the latter and all discussion always takes place

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: Judging by replies so far, I'd guess not many at all. You can't possibly know how many will or will not plonk someone. In the meantime Dale, I think you are projecting. Chill out brother, chill out. Plenty stuff in the world more deserving of attention than this. I fixed

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Dale
Tom Wijsman wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:41:03 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: FYI. Most people don't say anything, they just blacklist you. After that, you don't exist to them. Yes, that's up to those few; it could happen, but most respond instead. I just read the last message

Re: [gentoo-user] No motherboard beep since kernel upgrade

2014-03-21 Thread null_ptr
On 21/03/14 14:41, Lee wrote: I can't think of the name of the module, pcspkr IIRC or some such, but it prolly isn't loaded. Modprobe can tell you if it's available load it. On Mar 21, 2014 12:41 PM, Dat G rhan...@gmx.de wrote: On 21/03/14 19:54, Francesco Turco wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014,

Re: [gentoo-user] No motherboard beep since kernel upgrade

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 18:51:22 +0100 null_ptr rhan...@gmx.de wrote: Since the last kernel upgrade Which kernel package? From which version to which version? the motherboard beep of my system has gone silent. Can you diff the dmesg as well as `lsmod` output before and after? Module for my

[gentoo-user] Portable Gentoo (Pen Drive Linux)

2014-03-21 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
Hi, Since I don't have a laptop, I'm thinking of installing Gentoo on my USB 3 pen drive. I'll use binpkgs from my desktop so that pen drive lives long. Has anybody tried Samsung's F2FS? I heard it performs better than the traditional ext4/xfs/etc on flash drives. Also the pen drive will be