[gentoo-user] Re: KDE-meta 4.2 upgrade
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerarmin at googlemail.com writes: 6. emerge -DNv kde-meta Look plausible? Verbose comments are most welcome. just emerge the kde-4.2 set instead of that meta stuff. Is there a problem with kde-meta-4.2.0 ? I have many different users asking for many different things, under kde. Kde-meta make my life simpler. However, if you have a technical reason not to install kde-meta, for example too many failed components, then please explain in some detail Just to save disk space or compile time, is not a relevant reason for me. I'm interested in why you say no to kde-meta? James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE-meta 4.2 upgrade
On Mittwoch 11 Februar 2009, james wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann volkerarmin at googlemail.com writes: 6. emerge -DNv kde-meta Look plausible? Verbose comments are most welcome. just emerge the kde-4.2 set instead of that meta stuff. Is there a problem with kde-meta-4.2.0 ? I have many different users asking for many different things, under kde. Kde-meta make my life simpler. However, if you have a technical reason not to install kde-meta, for example too many failed components, then please explain in some detail Just to save disk space or compile time, is not a relevant reason for me. I'm interested in why you say no to kde-meta? James because meta packages are on their way to be phased out and sets are the way to go? Sets are working great? Easier to unmask/keyword?
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE-meta 4.2 upgrade
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: Volker and Alan, Finally, try to use sets if possible. The split -meta ebuilds were an ugly hack until sets made it into portage. They were orders of magnitude better than monolithic, but sets are just so much cleaner than -meta. Plus you get to easily define what's in a set if the standard ones don't suit your needs. OK, I got it, use SETS instead of kde-meta. Where do I read up on using SETS? I see set in the emerge manpage, but it seem, brief. How do you use the default sets when upgrading to kde-4.2.x? Any examples or further reading? I'm finding issues with exiv2, libkeviv2 and stuff that uses it. Like gwenview, okular and krita. But that's the kind of thing that happens occasionally in ~arch Well this is just one test laptop. The approach is to now put kde-4.2.0 on this laptop, use it until some comfort is found with kde-4.2.x and then slowly upgrade the rest of the machine I'm admin over. Point well taken about skipping the removal of kde-meta-3.5.9. Just leave it on the laptop? I thought I had read that that causes problems. This laptop is my test box, so loosing kde-meta-3.5.9 is no big deal, as I have another workstation.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE-meta 4.2 upgrade
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:29 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: Volker and Alan, Finally, try to use sets if possible. The split -meta ebuilds were an ugly hack until sets made it into portage. They were orders of magnitude better than monolithic, but sets are just so much cleaner than -meta. Plus you get to easily define what's in a set if the standard ones don't suit your needs. OK, I got it, use SETS instead of kde-meta. Where do I read up on using SETS? I see set in the emerge manpage, but it seem, brief. How do you use the default sets when upgrading to kde-4.2.x? Basically, sets start with @ and you would just emerge like a meta, emerge @kde-4.2 (or whatever). You can do emerge --list-sets to see which are available to you. Rather than being meta listed in /var/lib/portage/world the sets will be listed in /var/lib/portage/world_sets You can make your own sets (my stuff or something) and it makes it easy to get all of your favorite/required packages when setting up a new system. Just emerge your set and voila :) The set files are simple, just a text file with a list of package names inside. You can put your custom sets in /etc/portage/sets I believe. Overlays can have their own sets (kde-testing has a million of them). Lastly, I think you need to be using portage 2.2 in order to have sets. I'm not sure what version is stable or whatever. I just unmasked all portage so I'm using whatever the latest one is in the tree.
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE-meta 4.2 upgrade
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gentoo at gmail.com writes: Basically, sets start with @ and you would just emerge like a meta, emerge @kde-4.2 (or whatever). You can do emerge --list-sets to see which are available to you. Rather than being meta listed in /var/lib/portage/world the sets will be listed in /var/lib/portage/world_sets Very cool. I'll give it a shot. James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE-meta 4.2 upgrade
james wrote: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gentoo at gmail.com writes: Basically, sets start with @ and you would just emerge like a meta, emerge @kde-4.2 (or whatever). You can do emerge --list-sets to see which are available to you. Rather than being meta listed in /var/lib/portage/world the sets will be listed in /var/lib/portage/world_sets Very cool. I'll give it a shot. James Sorry to butt in here. I !think! I get what sets does, you add a group of packages to a file and then when you do the @sets thing, it emerges/upgrades that group of packages. I get that part. I guess from what I am reading that we the user OR the tree devs can create a sets file. So I could create a set called network and put things like Kppp, ppp, wireshark and all the networky things in there for my use alone. I assume that the tree devs can also create a sets file with say all the KDE packages or maybe all the system packages in it for everybody to use. Would that be correct? I'm going to jump off a cliff here and ask this. How would I emerge kde-meta-4.2 and all its friends without using layman or anything, just a plain emerge @kde-meta and go to bed for a while? This would be using the sets feature too. I am using portage-2.2_rc23 so I should be ready to go with the new sets feature. Oh, is there a really good howto somewhere? Real simple non-geek speak. Cool examples would be really nice. I looked around gentoo.org but nothing really spells it out. I did find a HUGE thread about it but still not registering for me. I need a light bulb moment. O_O Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE-meta 4.2 upgrade
On Thursday 12 February 2009 07:01:36 Dale wrote: Sorry to butt in here. I !think! I get what sets does, you add a group of packages to a file and then when you do the @sets thing, it emerges/upgrades that group of packages. I get that part. I guess from what I am reading that we the user OR the tree devs can create a sets file. Yes. The old split -meta ebuilds were a stop-gap hack while waiting for set functionality (the devs said as much in the kde split-ebuild handbook page) but required that a full-blown ebuild be written. Which then had to be manifested and either inserted in the tree or an overlay. i.e. waay too complex for what is really just a simple list. So I could create a set called network and put things like Kppp, ppp, wireshark and all the networky things in there for my use alone. Yes I assume that the tree devs can also create a sets file with say all the KDE packages or maybe all the system packages in it for everybody to use. Would that be correct? Yes. I'm going to jump off a cliff here and ask this. How would I emerge kde-meta-4.2 and all its friends without using layman or anything, just a plain emerge @kde-meta and go to bed for a while? This would be using the sets feature too. I am using portage-2.2_rc23 so I should be ready to go with the new sets feature. Forget about anything with -meta in it's name if you want to use sets. As I said above, -meta ebuilds are a hack and an ugly one to boot (but useful nonetheless). Create a file called say /etc/portage/sets/dale_stuff and run emerge -av @dale_stuff Go to bed. To get all the kde stuff, I *think* that easiest would be to ask someone using kde-testing to mail you a copy of the set file included there. Or you could make one by hand with ls,grep,sed,awk and friends. Oh, is there a really good howto somewhere? Real simple non-geek speak. Cool examples would be really nice. I looked around gentoo.org but nothing really spells it out. I did find a HUGE thread about it but still not registering for me. I need a light bulb moment. O_O There isn't much in the way of docs. I read a blog post from one of the devs recently but have no idea where it is. I'll have a look. It would appear from some code snippets I saw there that you can even do nifty things like subtract one set from another. Say you wanted all of kde except three specific apps. Put those three in a set file, let's call it kde_exclude, and run some command along the lines of emerge @k...@kde_exclude portage will subtract the exclude file from the big one and merge just the difference. Cool, hey? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE-meta 4.2 upgrade
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 12 February 2009 07:01:36 Dale wrote: Sorry to butt in here. I !think! I get what sets does, you add a group of packages to a file and then when you do the @sets thing, it emerges/upgrades that group of packages. I get that part. I guess from what I am reading that we the user OR the tree devs can create a sets file. Yes. The old split -meta ebuilds were a stop-gap hack while waiting for set functionality (the devs said as much in the kde split-ebuild handbook page) but required that a full-blown ebuild be written. Which then had to be manifested and either inserted in the tree or an overlay. i.e. waay too complex for what is really just a simple list. So I could create a set called network and put things like Kppp, ppp, wireshark and all the networky things in there for my use alone. Yes I assume that the tree devs can also create a sets file with say all the KDE packages or maybe all the system packages in it for everybody to use. Would that be correct? Yes. I'm going to jump off a cliff here and ask this. How would I emerge kde-meta-4.2 and all its friends without using layman or anything, just a plain emerge @kde-meta and go to bed for a while? This would be using the sets feature too. I am using portage-2.2_rc23 so I should be ready to go with the new sets feature. Forget about anything with -meta in it's name if you want to use sets. As I said above, -meta ebuilds are a hack and an ugly one to boot (but useful nonetheless). Create a file called say /etc/portage/sets/dale_stuff and run emerge -av @dale_stuff Go to bed. To get all the kde stuff, I *think* that easiest would be to ask someone using kde-testing to mail you a copy of the set file included there. Or you could make one by hand with ls,grep,sed,awk and friends. Oh, is there a really good howto somewhere? Real simple non-geek speak. Cool examples would be really nice. I looked around gentoo.org but nothing really spells it out. I did find a HUGE thread about it but still not registering for me. I need a light bulb moment. O_O There isn't much in the way of docs. I read a blog post from one of the devs recently but have no idea where it is. I'll have a look. It would appear from some code snippets I saw there that you can even do nifty things like subtract one set from another. Say you wanted all of kde except three specific apps. Put those three in a set file, let's call it kde_exclude, and run some command along the lines of emerge @k...@kde_exclude portage will subtract the exclude file from the big one and merge just the difference. Cool, hey? Cool. Thanks for the info. Nice to know I understood some things correctly. Even a dead clock is right twice a day. o_O Dale :-) :-)
