Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gvfs, cameras, and me

2010-12-24 Thread Andy Wilkinson
On 12/20/2010 06:39 AM, walt wrote:
 On 12/19/2010 09:25 PM, Andy Wilkinson wrote:

 To make matters worse, when gvfs/nautilus doesn't see the camera at all,
  I have no idea at all how to find out what messages might have been
 sent
  where, or why gvfs might not be seeing it...

 I use gnome, but have no camera so I can't give specific advise.  But in
 general I try to get behind the gui by starting an app (like gphoto2)
 from
 a command prompt to see what error messages it may print.

 Some gui apps may have an optional flag like -v or --debug that will
 print
 more messages.  (Or start it as strace gphoto2 for even more fun.)

 I've never actually found a use for the various gvfs commandline apps,
 like
 gvfs-info et al, but you might be able to use them for debugging this
 puzzle.
 Worth fiddling with them, anyway.

 I've noticed several times that the gentoo-stable gnome is running
 mismatched
 versions of gnome apps, and if I just wait long enough the right
 version of
 something-or-other will be installed and something broken will start
 working
 again.  The ~ version of gnome actually has fewer problems that way
 than the
 stable version.


Running strace on gphoto2 doesn't make a lot of sense to me, as gphoto2
always works just fine.  A trace on gthumb also doesn't make sense in my
mind, since it seems to correctly be telling me that gvfs doesn't see
anything more than it does, though I don't know enough to say for sure
that there's no separation.

If there was a way I could run a trace on gvfs itself, that might be
more profitable, but that sounds big and scary, and like something I'd
need help with.

I've looked around at the gvfs-*, and most of them seem to want me to
know what I want them to look at, and are mostly interested in telling
me about literal paths.  I haven't found a way to get any of them to say
Hey, I see your camera, and it doesn't work because X.

Your last paragraph rings truer to me.  I just wish I had something
concrete to go on. ;)

Thanks,

-Andy



[gentoo-user] Re: gvfs, cameras, and me

2010-12-20 Thread walt

On 12/19/2010 09:25 PM, Andy Wilkinson wrote:


To make matters worse, when gvfs/nautilus doesn't see the camera at all,

 I have no idea at all how to find out what messages might have been sent
 where, or why gvfs might not be seeing it...

I use gnome, but have no camera so I can't give specific advise.  But in
general I try to get behind the gui by starting an app (like gphoto2) from
a command prompt to see what error messages it may print.

Some gui apps may have an optional flag like -v or --debug that will print
more messages.  (Or start it as strace gphoto2 for even more fun.)

I've never actually found a use for the various gvfs commandline apps, like
gvfs-info et al, but you might be able to use them for debugging this puzzle.
Worth fiddling with them, anyway.

I've noticed several times that the gentoo-stable gnome is running mismatched
versions of gnome apps, and if I just wait long enough the right version of
something-or-other will be installed and something broken will start working
again.  The ~ version of gnome actually has fewer problems that way than the
stable version.