Re: [gentoo-user] Document management solution [possibly a bit off-topic...]

2005-09-29 Thread A. Khattri
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, Steve [Gentoo] wrote:

 I think I want a document management solution - though I'm not sure
 that everyone understands the same idea by the term.

This might be overkill:
http://www.alfresco.org/

Or maybe something like ScrollKeeper would suffice?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Document management solution [possibly a bit off-topic...]

2005-09-29 Thread Steve [Gentoo]

A. Khattri wrote:

On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, Steve [Gentoo] wrote:

I think I want a document management solution - though I'm not sure
that everyone understands the same idea by the term.


This might be overkill:
http://www.alfresco.org/
  
Alfresco is what I'd have called a content management system - as 
opposed to a document management system.  I'm interested in managing 
archives of documents I have received from other people (in dead-tree 
format)...

Or maybe something like ScrollKeeper would suffice?
Scrollkeeper seems to target electronic manuals etc. (as far as I can 
tell) - It doesn't appear to be focused on scanned documents.  The 
typical sort of documents I need to manage include monthly and quarterly 
invoices and statements etc. from a wide variety of vendors.


Like Alfresco, I'd say that Scrollkeeper looks more like a content 
management system than a document management system...




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Re: [gentoo-user] Document management solution [possibly a bit off-topic...]

2005-09-29 Thread A. Khattri
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, Steve [Gentoo] wrote:

 Alfresco is what I'd have called a content management system - as
 opposed to a document management system.  I'm interested in managing
 archives of documents I have received from other people (in dead-tree
 format)...

If there was something that scanned the document, performed OCR on it,
checked the OCR output and then built an electronic repository for you I'd
recommend it. Until then, Alfresco is the closest thing Ive seen that is
open source. If you're willing to do your own scanning and OCR'ing then it
will do the rest.

BTW, I would call things like Mambo or Xaraya, content-management tools -
Alfresco is a slightly different kettle of fish.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Document management solution [possibly a bit off-topic...]

2005-09-29 Thread Nick Rout

On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:52:54 -0400 (EDT)
A. Khattri wrote:

 On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, Steve [Gentoo] wrote:
 
  Alfresco is what I'd have called a content management system - as
  opposed to a document management system.  I'm interested in managing
  archives of documents I have received from other people (in dead-tree
  format)...
 
 If there was something that scanned the document, performed OCR on it,
 checked the OCR output and then built an electronic repository for you I'd
 recommend it. Until then, Alfresco is the closest thing Ive seen that is
 open source. If you're willing to do your own scanning and OCR'ing then it
 will do the rest.
 
 BTW, I would call things like Mambo or Xaraya, content-management tools -
 Alfresco is a slightly different kettle of fish.

Yes I know what Steve is after, and I'd love to find a way. I was put
off by Alfresco being called Content Management because all of the
content management systems I have seen end up bioding something that
resembles [name your favourite news website]

A closer look at alfresco reveals that it does look more like what Steve (and I 
) are after.

I am a lawyer and I handle hundreds of documents every week, from email
through pdf (both made from an electronic source and therefore has all
the text available, and scanned) openoffice (one enlightened client!),
word, excel, html, faxes, letters (on paper, ya know!) you name it
someone will send me something in it!

It'd be great to have a metadata system where I could give everything
some keywords:

client name, file number, matter number, subjects, useful as a
precedent, useful case etc etc etc so that in future I can :

pull up every document on my computer, my secretary's computer, my mail
server (including attachments), my file server, my palm pilot, relating
to a particular client

pull up every document about company debentures

find the case i downloaded and stored somewhere about liability of
guarantors in a consumer credit loan

find the seminar book for the seminar i went to on asome new area of
law.

find a letter written by Joe Bloggs sometime in 2003.


 
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Document management solution [possibly a bit off-topic...]

2005-09-29 Thread Eric Crossman
On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 10:36 +1200, Nick Rout wrote:
 On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:52:54 -0400 (EDT)
 A. Khattri wrote:
 
  On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, Steve [Gentoo] wrote:
  
   Alfresco is what I'd have called a content management system - as
   opposed to a document management system.  I'm interested in managing
   archives of documents I have received from other people (in dead-tree
   format)...
  
  If there was something that scanned the document, performed OCR on it,
  checked the OCR output and then built an electronic repository for you I'd
  recommend it. Until then, Alfresco is the closest thing Ive seen that is
  open source. If you're willing to do your own scanning and OCR'ing then it
  will do the rest.
  
  BTW, I would call things like Mambo or Xaraya, content-management tools -
  Alfresco is a slightly different kettle of fish.
 
 Yes I know what Steve is after, and I'd love to find a way. I was put
 off by Alfresco being called Content Management because all of the
 content management systems I have seen end up bioding something that
 resembles [name your favourite news website]
 
 A closer look at alfresco reveals that it does look more like what Steve (and 
 I ) are after.
 
 I am a lawyer and I handle hundreds of documents every week, from email
 through pdf (both made from an electronic source and therefore has all
 the text available, and scanned) openoffice (one enlightened client!),
 word, excel, html, faxes, letters (on paper, ya know!) you name it
 someone will send me something in it!
 
 It'd be great to have a metadata system where I could give everything
 some keywords:
 
 client name, file number, matter number, subjects, useful as a
 precedent, useful case etc etc etc so that in future I can :
 
 pull up every document on my computer, my secretary's computer, my mail
 server (including attachments), my file server, my palm pilot, relating
 to a particular client
 
 pull up every document about company debentures
 
 find the case i downloaded and stored somewhere about liability of
 guarantors in a consumer credit loan
 
 find the seminar book for the seminar i went to on asome new area of
 law.
 
 find a letter written by Joe Bloggs sometime in 2003.
 
 
  
  
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I'm not sure if what you're describing exists right now in the open
source world, but I can tell you that it certainly does in the
commercial world. I used to work in the metadata department for a
startup here in upstate NY, USA that built a web based application
targeting lawyers such as yourself. It was written in PHP/MySQL but the
database was being migrated to Oracle due to the rapid growth in the
database tables. 

Unfortunately though, in the migration to Oracle, they elected to create
a dynamic scheme to support adding custom metadata fields as requested
per client. It was great for flexibility but the performance was
horrible even on quad 3 ghz xeon boxes with maxed out memory. For us
programmers, it also made the easy queries difficult and the hard
queries near impossible. 

Eric


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