Re: [gentoo-user] Sweet Sweet Portage

[Alan McKinnon]

On 16/08/2016 19:14, Willie M wrote:
> On 08/16/2016 03:06 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 16/08/2016 02:24, james wrote:
>>>
 Please post the output of layman -l
>>> alunduil
>>> java
>>> pentoo
>>> science
>>> sunrise
>>> torbrower
>>> ultrabug
>>> xmw
>>
>>
>> That's what I thought. I reckon I know what your problem is.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> And the problem will be most likely that he doesn't block all the
> ebuilds from the overlays and unblock only the ones he needs?
> 


Bingo.

james has a history of causing endless amounts of problems for himself.


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Sweet Sweet Portage

[james]

On 08/16/2016 02:49 PM, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:

On 08/15/2016 06:02 PM, james wrote:

Well,

I brought this up before. No need for argument, just test it out
for yourself.

Multiple times (over the last few weeks) I have run  'emerge -uDNvp @world' and 
there are issues to deal with manually.

For example 'One or more updates/rebuilds have been skipped due to a dependency 
conflict', type of fudd and other types of fudd is the result, not all the 
time, but maybe 50% of the time.


Now, routinely, all I do is immediately issue this command
'emerge -uDt @world' and go have a coffee.  An AMD 8 core, 32G workstation does 
it's thang, leaving me a with just a smile after the work is complete. No other 
actions, nadda, ziltch. Immediately, I then run  'emerge -uDNvp world' (again, 
and routinely I get::

"These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!

Total: 0 packages, Size of downloads: 0 KiB"


Just try it for yourself. It's like clockwork now. Smooth. I have over 1500 
packages installed on a mostly stable but hacked out /usr/local/portage/ and 
maybe 10% of the packages, that are much newer, but portage is sweet, sweet, 
sweet now. There is inherent magic now, but,
I do not have time to ferret it out. Sure I can dive in, manually,
and I have done this to fix things, but, 'emerge -uDt @world' fixes things, 
automagically; dozens of times as I update 3 or 4 times a week.




I don't know exactly what's going on but I think something is wrong so it's not
so sweet. I think you got a conflict that's not being resolved and not being 
pulled
by the second command. What happends if you add --with-bdeps=y --backtrack=30? 
Also
try without the -p (I think it runs more code like autounmask etc so it may 
cause
the extra output).

Is clang/llvm stuff still popping up on the list of skipped packages? I 
remember a
similar conflict around the time of your first post and it turned out that the 
latest
stable clang blocks the latest stable libclc. So the tree is (still) broken. 
For most
users it's not a problem because portage pulls the right version of clang but 
if you
have clang on your world file it updates it to the latest and you get those 
conflicts.
I fixed it by masking all versions of clang >3.6





Nope, but on gentoo-dev there is a big announce about LLVM(clang).

No issues with the system, I run the latest portage and when issues 
popup, granted that are easy to fix, manually 'emerge -uDt world' 
precludes the need to fix them. Afterwards, running 'emerge -uDNvp 
world' just comes back completely clean. NO idea what's going on,

but *I* have verified this now dozens and of times over the recent weeks.

Instead of running 'emerge -uDNv world' I simple run 'emerge -uDt world'
and the manual (trivial) items just dissappear, it runs to completion
and all is just spanky fine. I do not have the will, nore inclination to 
dig deeply, but the benefit is most wonderful. ymmv.



But follow the evidence

emerge -uDNvp world

emerge -Dut world


emerge -uDNvp world


It's just that simple:: 3 commands, no others. fabulous!


You don't believe me, then just ignore the thread. ymmv.


--nobody cares, as I'm done with this thread.
James

Re: [gentoo-user] Sweet Sweet Portage

[Fernando Rodriguez]

On 08/15/2016 06:02 PM, james wrote:
> Well,
> 
> I brought this up before. No need for argument, just test it out
> for yourself.
> 
> Multiple times (over the last few weeks) I have run  'emerge -uDNvp @world' 
> and there are issues to deal with manually.
> 
> For example 'One or more updates/rebuilds have been skipped due to a 
> dependency conflict', type of fudd and other types of fudd is the result, not 
> all the time, but maybe 50% of the time.
> 
> 
> Now, routinely, all I do is immediately issue this command
> 'emerge -uDt @world' and go have a coffee.  An AMD 8 core, 32G workstation 
> does it's thang, leaving me a with just a smile after the work is complete. 
> No other actions, nadda, ziltch. Immediately, I then run  'emerge -uDNvp 
> world' (again, and routinely I get::
> 
> "These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> 
> Total: 0 packages, Size of downloads: 0 KiB"
> 
> 
> Just try it for yourself. It's like clockwork now. Smooth. I have over 1500 
> packages installed on a mostly stable but hacked out /usr/local/portage/ and 
> maybe 10% of the packages, that are much newer, but portage is sweet, sweet, 
> sweet now. There is inherent magic now, but,
> I do not have time to ferret it out. Sure I can dive in, manually,
> and I have done this to fix things, but, 'emerge -uDt @world' fixes things, 
> automagically; dozens of times as I update 3 or 4 times a week.
> 
> 

I don't know exactly what's going on but I think something is wrong so it's not
so sweet. I think you got a conflict that's not being resolved and not being 
pulled
by the second command. What happends if you add --with-bdeps=y --backtrack=30? 
Also
try without the -p (I think it runs more code like autounmask etc so it may 
cause
the extra output).

Is clang/llvm stuff still popping up on the list of skipped packages? I 
remember a 
similar conflict around the time of your first post and it turned out that the 
latest
stable clang blocks the latest stable libclc. So the tree is (still) broken. 
For most
users it's not a problem because portage pulls the right version of clang but 
if you
have clang on your world file it updates it to the latest and you get those 
conflicts.
I fixed it by masking all versions of clang >3.6

-- 

Fernando Rodriguez

Re: [gentoo-user] Sweet Sweet Portage

[Willie M]

On 08/16/2016 03:06 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 16/08/2016 02:24, james wrote:
>>
>>> Please post the output of layman -l
>> alunduil
>> java
>> pentoo
>> science
>> sunrise
>> torbrower
>> ultrabug
>> xmw
> 
> 
> That's what I thought. I reckon I know what your problem is.
> 
> 
> 

And the problem will be most likely that he doesn't block all the
ebuilds from the overlays and unblock only the ones he needs?

-- 

Willie Matthews
matthews.willi...@gmail.com
702.659.9966



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Re: [gentoo-user] Sweet Sweet Portage

[james]

On 08/15/2016 09:43 PM, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 06:02:27PM -0400, james wrote

  What response do you get with...

emerge --backtrack=30 -pvuDt @world

  Note that I've included "pv" to turn it into a "dummy run" with
verbose output.



" # emerge --backtrack=30 -pvuDt @world
These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:
Calculating dependencies... done! "

Total: 0 packages, Size of downloads: 0 KiB


Clean as a whisle, since I ran 'emerge -Dtu @world'

Note, originally I used hte 'pv' with 'emerge -uDNvp world'

I'm not sure I'm following your suspicions?


James

Re: [gentoo-user] Sweet Sweet Portage

[Alan McKinnon]

On 16/08/2016 02:24, james wrote:
> 
>> Please post the output of layman -l
> alunduil
> java
> pentoo
> science
> sunrise
> torbrower
> ultrabug
> xmw


That's what I thought. I reckon I know what your problem is.



-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Sweet Sweet Portage

[waltdnes]

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 06:02:27PM -0400, james wrote

  What response do you get with...

emerge --backtrack=30 -pvuDt @world

  Note that I've included "pv" to turn it into a "dummy run" with
verbose output.

-- 
Walter Dnes 
I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-user] Sweet Sweet Portage

[james]

Please post the output of layman -l

alunduil
java
pentoo
science
sunrise
torbrower
ultrabug
xmw

It works on the portage tree


James

Re: [gentoo-user] Sweet Sweet Portage

[Alan McKinnon]

On 16/08/2016 00:02, james wrote:
> Well,
> 
> I brought this up before. No need for argument, just test it out
> for yourself.
> 
> Multiple times (over the last few weeks) I have run  'emerge -uDNvp
> @world' and there are issues to deal with manually.
> 
> For example 'One or more updates/rebuilds have been skipped due to a
> dependency conflict', type of fudd and other types of fudd is the
> result, not all the time, but maybe 50% of the time.
> 
> 
> Now, routinely, all I do is immediately issue this command
> 'emerge -uDt @world' and go have a coffee.  An AMD 8 core, 32G
> workstation does it's thang, leaving me a with just a smile after the
> work is complete. No other actions, nadda, ziltch. Immediately, I then
> run  'emerge -uDNvp world' (again, and routinely I get::
> 
> "These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> 
> Total: 0 packages, Size of downloads: 0 KiB"
> 
> 
> Just try it for yourself. It's like clockwork now. Smooth. I have over
> 1500 packages installed on a mostly stable but hacked out
> /usr/local/portage/ and maybe 10% of the packages, that are much newer,
> but portage is sweet, sweet, sweet now. There is inherent magic now, but,
> I do not have time to ferret it out. Sure I can dive in, manually,
> and I have done this to fix things, but, 'emerge -uDt @world' fixes
> things, automagically; dozens of times as I update 3 or 4 times a week.

Please post the output of layman -l

> 
> 
> 
> YMMV. --livin the dream, brah, livin the dream.
> hth,
> James
> 
> 


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com