[Gimp-developer] combine crop with scaling

2007-01-30 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
Current crop implementation (2.3.14) is very nice though it lacks a listbox with user-defined ratios. I really love it. The 2.3.14 has introduced a little inconvenience from my POV: the corner rectangles are too much bright. They interfere with an attempt to value the composition while

Re: [Gimp-developer] changes in script-fu in 2.3.14

2007-01-30 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 09:55 +0200, Alexander Rabtchevich wrote: So if the scripts were loaded dynamically on demand: If I understood Kevin correctly the long-term goal for Tiny-Fu is to start the interpreter on demand for each script that is executed. So at some point scripts will behave

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Clarence Risher
On 1/30/07, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to propose a user interface that fits all needs. imho, the 2.2 interface met all needs. i have yet to hear any reason for eliminating either option, other than removing ONE element from the screenshot GUI. (sorry for the dupe email Sven)

Re: [Gimp-developer] combine crop with scaling

2007-01-30 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 10:22 +0200, Alexander Rabtchevich wrote: Current crop implementation (2.3.14) is very nice though it lacks a listbox with user-defined ratios. I really love it. The 2.3.14 has introduced a little inconvenience from my POV: the corner rectangles are too much

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 02:26 -0600, Clarence Risher wrote: On 1/30/07, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to propose a user interface that fits all needs. imho, the 2.2 interface met all needs. i have yet to hear any reason for eliminating either option, other than removing ONE

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Clarence Risher
On 1/30/07, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 02:26 -0600, Clarence Risher wrote: On 1/30/07, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to propose a user interface that fits all needs. imho, the 2.2 interface met all needs. i have yet to hear any reason for

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
Clarence, would it be better to be not so aggressive? ;) -- With respect Alexander Rabtchevich ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer

Re: [Gimp-developer] changes in script-fu in 2.3.14

2007-01-30 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:24:40 +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 09:11 +0200, Alexander Rabtchevich wrote: But the inability to use global variables along with scheme syntaxes leads to a good deal of parentheses which could be a problem to a programmer.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Simon Budig
Sven Neumann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also your approach is very lame indeed. This discussion wasn't even close to coming to an end. It would have been a lot nicer to propose a solution instead of wasting time like this. Please realize that your mails sound very much like you dont really

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Robert L Krawitz
From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:35:17 +0100 On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 02:26 -0600, Clarence Risher wrote: On 1/30/07, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to propose a user interface that fits all needs. imho, the 2.2 interface met all needs.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread jernej
On Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 9:35:17, Sven Neumann wrote: We have had several reports about this UI being confusing. Users filed bug reports claiming that the plug-in wouldn't do the right thing. Obviously they did not understand the user interface. And that is not surprising because it is

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 1/30/07, Robert L Krawitz wrote: For my part, I've been awfully tempted to port the GTK 1.2 file load and save dialogs forward to GTK 2.x. I suspect that my limited time is better spent on Gutenprint and perhaps KPhotoAlbum, but those dialogs are simply very painful to use.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Marco Ciampa
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 01:10:56PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about this: get rid of the delay completely, and instead take the screenshot when a certain key (eg. F12) is pressed? It could be an answer if: 1) the key is customizable 2) we are really shure that there is no way that

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 1/30/07, Marco Ciampa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 01:10:56PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about this: get rid of the delay completely, and instead take the screenshot when a certain key (eg. F12) is pressed? It could be an answer if: 1) the key is

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Robert L Krawitz
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:13:45 +0300 From: Alexandre Prokoudine [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 1/30/07, Robert L Krawitz wrote: For my part, I've been awfully tempted to port the GTK 1.2 file load and save dialogs forward to GTK 2.x. I suspect that my limited time is better spent on

Re: [Gimp-developer] changes in script-fu in 2.3.14

2007-01-30 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
Some more thoughts on local variables in scheme from a newbie POV. Due to a parenthesis syntaxes of variable declaration area, if variable x is declared before variable y and y is declared before x is dropped, x remains active at least until y is dropped. (let (x 1) ... (let (y 2) ;x is

Re: [Gimp-developer] changes in script-fu in 2.3.14

2007-01-30 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:06:00 +0200, Alexander Rabtchevich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some more thoughts on local variables in scheme from a newbie POV. Due to a parenthesis syntaxes of variable declaration area, if variable x is declared before variable y and y is declared before x is

Re: [Gimp-developer] changes in script-fu in 2.3.14

2007-01-30 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
Raphaël, this IS exactly my point! Why should the global variables be prohibited if there is no difference in memory consumption with local ones, only additional efforts to a programmer to track all parenthesis. The common namespace is the other problem - it is due the luck of interpreter usage

Re: [Gimp-developer] changes in script-fu in 2.3.14

2007-01-30 Thread Simon Budig
Alexander Rabtchevich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Raphaël, this IS exactly my point! Why should the global variables be prohibited if there is no difference in memory consumption with local ones, only additional efforts to a programmer to track all parenthesis. Because global variables are

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread peter sikking
Well what do you know? At the moment Kamila and I are very busy with our (interaction architecture) expert evaluation of the current GIMP, and this morning we happen to stop by the screenshot plugin. We actually took into account all comments made in this thread up to that moment. Here are our

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 11:32 +0100, Simon Budig wrote: Please realize that your mails sound very much like you dont really want to change anything. True. I don't think that the requested change should be made. That does however not mean that it cannot be done and will not be done. There

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 13:10 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about this: get rid of the delay completely, and instead take the screenshot when a certain key (eg. F12) is pressed? This works nicely but can only be implemented reasonably well on the Desktop level. Actually, it's exactly

Re: [Gimp-developer] changes in script-fu in 2.3.14

2007-01-30 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 08:22 +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: I don't think that the NEWS file is the right place for this. Someone should set up a detailed description of the changes with instructions on how to fix scripts that stop working after the update. We should then refer to this

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 17:51 +0100, peter sikking wrote: We would like to see however two improvements: 1) A big, fat visual countdown of the delay. I can see a big (200 point font) semitransparent numbers overlaying the screen counting down 4-3-2-1. No more guessing how

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 11:04 -0800, Akkana Peck wrote: It wasn't? I waited more than a day after your last posting, and there was nothing more. I don't think most of us thought that more begging was going to accomplish anything after you said no. I never said no. I only explained the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 11:04 -0800, Akkana Peck wrote: For the book, I had to make hundreds of screenshots, many of them showing menus or other transient features such as brush outlines. For some, where the menus were entirely inside the window, I was able to use single window with delay.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread gg
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:04:31 +0100, Akkana Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ ... skip to end of message ... ] P I think that puts an end to any doubts, Oh, well, that's it, then. There's no point in mere users trying to offer any input. hmm, when I first read that earlier it sounded

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Clarence Risher
On 1/30/07, peter sikking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - the fact that it is a piece of cake to cut out a rectangle out of a image in GIMP, or two added rectangles (window + menu sticking out). For the record, windows are not always rectangular, or do not always fill their bounding box. Or

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Alex Pounds
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 08:22:11PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: Any particular reason why you didn't use the screenshot feature of your desktop for this? Just asking. Not everybody uses a desktop that has a screenshot feature built in. I don't, and whenever I want a screenshot I use the Gimp

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Akkana Peck
Alex Pounds writes: On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 08:22:11PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: Any particular reason why you didn't use the screenshot feature of your desktop for this? Just asking. Not everybody uses a desktop that has a screenshot feature built in. I don't, and whenever I want a

Re: [Gimp-developer] changes in script-fu in 2.3.14

2007-01-30 Thread Akkana Peck
Sven Neumann writes: On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 08:22 +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: I don't think that the NEWS file is the right place for this. Someone should set up a detailed description of the changes with instructions on how to fix scripts that stop working after the update. We should then

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 14:03 -0600, Clarence Risher wrote: For the record, windows are not always rectangular, or do not always fill their bounding box. Or they may contain (alpha) transparent areas that are well nigh uncleanable when full-screen screenshot'd without sufficient

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Steve Stavropoulos
On 1/28/07, Steve Stavropoulos wrote: So it seems both options are needed. What about a checkbox below the delay to select when the delay will be applied? You may need both delays, so I think a second wait line not only makes for a fully functional plugin, but removes the ambiguity as to

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Marco Ciampa
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 12:36:54PM -0800, Akkana Peck wrote: Alex Pounds writes: On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 08:22:11PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: Any particular reason why you didn't use the screenshot feature of your desktop for this? Just asking. Not everybody uses a desktop that has

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Marco Ciampa
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 11:58:08PM +0200, Steve Stavropoulos wrote: On 1/28/07, Steve Stavropoulos wrote: So it seems both options are needed. What about a checkbox below the delay to select when the delay will be applied? You may need both delays, so I think a second wait line not

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 23:58 +0200, Steve Stavropoulos wrote: You may need both delays, so I think a second wait line not only makes for a fully functional plugin, but removes the ambiguity as to when the delay is applied. In http://master.math.upatras.gr/~steve/gimp/ you can find the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread peter sikking
Sven wrote: We would like to see however two improvements: 1) A big, fat visual countdown of the delay. I can see a big (200 point font) semitransparent numbers overlaying the screen counting down 4-3-2-1. No more guessing how long do we still have to get that other window in

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 00:53 +0100, peter sikking wrote: So I had a look, one delay, but they also gave me an idea how we can make everybody here happy, without the cost of two delays: In 'snap window' mode the shot shall be taken: a) on the first mouse-down after the timer (can be

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Clarence Risher
On 1/30/07, peter sikking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clarence Risher wrote: On 1/30/07, peter sikking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - the fact that it is a piece of cake to cut out a rectangle out of a image in GIMP, or two added rectangles (window + menu sticking out). For the

Re: [Gimp-developer] changes in script-fu in 2.3.14

2007-01-30 Thread Robert L Krawitz
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:24:59 +0200 From: Alexander Rabtchevich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Raphaël, this IS exactly my point! Why should the global variables be prohibited if there is no difference in memory consumption with local ones, only additional efforts to a programmer to track all

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread gg
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:22:11 +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any particular reason why you didn't use the screenshot feature of your desktop for this? Just asking. Please don't get upset again. I am only trying to get an idea on why you prefer to use the screenshot plug-in for

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 19:09 -0600, Clarence Risher wrote: Sven's argument is true, but does not address my point. In every case like this the process will be more complex than just shot-clip-done. In cases of non-rectangular areas the clipping will be quite annoying. And in the rare

Re: [Gimp-developer] Meaning of delay in screenshot plugin

2007-01-30 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 22:03 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure if you're assuming everyone is using gnome here. I work on xfce4 and I dont have a screenshot applet or whatever. I have scrot if I dont use gimp. Most window manager screenshots seems just to grab the whole