Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-20 Thread Filipe Soares Dilly
Hi! My nome is Filipe. Valerie and I have done in recent weeks a package of paintbrushes and stripped down to the GIMP. We hope that you, developers take a look at it. He was evaluated by some GIMP artists and approved. :) I posted it on DeviantArt using the Creative Commons License

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-10 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 19:53 +0200, Martin Renold wrote: Then you have to maintain the user directory if the next release adds/deletes/moves some default brushes. Good point. In MyPaint I have solved this by copying the brush into the user directory only when user modifies it. Yeah,

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-10 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 19:39 -0700, Valerie wrote: Basically, I'm aiming for a decent improvement with (for now) little work and that can deliver results pretty fast. For this, I'm trying to avoid the issues that will deliver improvements on the same scale but take a lot more time.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-10 Thread Valerie
Actually, I still don't see why Gimp can't either: - move those fixed brushes to another directory - or on the contrary, make a new default brush directory with a new name, link the default brush directory to That, while leaving scripts pointing to the old directory untouched. Perhaps I have

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-10 Thread Michael Schumacher
Von: Valerie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually, I still don't see why Gimp can't either: - move those fixed brushes to another directory - or on the contrary, make a new default brush directory with a new name, link the default brush directory to That, while leaving scripts pointing to the old

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-10 Thread Stephan Hegel
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: Sorry, but I explained you in much detail that we have to keep the default brushes for now (until we have coded a solution that doesn't break scripts). Our only simple option at this point is to add some more brushes to the set of default brushes. I would very much

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-09 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 18:14 -0700, Valerie wrote: I guess we have drastically different usages of brushes though. I NEVER use a brush of exactly 17 pixels. In fact, a brush of exactly 17 pixels is pretty much useless to me. Most people go by a visual cue instead of specific values, and

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-09 Thread Rogier Wolff
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 08:26:59AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 18:14 -0700, Valerie wrote: I guess we have drastically different usages of brushes though. I NEVER use a brush of exactly 17 pixels. In fact, a brush of exactly 17 pixels is pretty much useless to

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-09 Thread Alexia Death
Sven Neumann wrote: Note that these brushes are editable. They are just read-only because they are in the system folder. I am well aware of the technical reasons. That does not change it for the user. From user POV they are non-editable clutter that you cant even trim. As soon as you copy

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-09 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 09:34 +0300, Alexia Death wrote: As soon as you copy them, they can be edited. Why couldn't that copy be made for the user on profile creation? Last time we discussed this, we decided against copying all resource files to the user folder. But perhaps we need to

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-09 Thread Valerie
Exactly, you need a visual cue. That's why I think it's important to offer a set of differently sized brushes in the brushes list. So that people can pick a brush of about the right size. ... isn't that what the brush outline is for? Or do I happen to have default settings that are

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-09 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 23:54 -0700, Valerie wrote: I was actually thinking along the lines of choosing from a drop down which brush you need for a script (script message: please choose a round-ish brush of about x pixels). It'd offer more possibilities for effects too (by selecting

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-09 Thread Valerie
Scripts can alreadz do that. But some scripts just need a fixed brush and existing scripts do that by refering to the brush by name. And so far we paid attention not to break those scripts. And what would be the easiest way around it? We're not going to keep all those round brushes

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-09 Thread Michael Schumacher
Von: Valerie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sure, that's why we keep asking for someone to improve the collection of default brushes collection in GIMP for some years now. So far there hasn't been much interest. We also don't have a maintainer for the gimp-data-extras package. It's not going to

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-09 Thread Michael Schumacher
Von: Valerie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scripts can alreadz do that. But some scripts just need a fixed brush and existing scripts do that by refering to the brush by name. And so far we paid attention not to break those scripts. And what would be the easiest way around it? We're not going

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-09 Thread Alexia Death
Sven Neumann wrote: There are some questions that need to be solved before we can do this though: - How can the user resurrect brushes that she removed? Reset default brushes button somewhere near brushes paths in preferences that recopies them. Or the user can manually copy the ones user

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-09 Thread Akkana Peck
Rogier Wolff writes: I have a weird obsession. I work with images that are larger than what most other people work with. So I don't need a 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, or 19 pixel fuzzy circle, but I need one that is around 30 pixels wide. Or 50. I'm not sure that's all that unusual. With

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-09 Thread Akkana Peck
I wrote: Alexia thought 50 was surprisingly large, but remember, brushes Oops, that was Valerie, sorry. ...Akkana ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-09 Thread Alexia Death
On Wednesday 09 July 2008 19:23:33 Akkana Peck wrote: I wrote: Alexia thought 50 was surprisingly large, but remember, brushes Oops, that was Valerie, sorry. I was about to correct you on that :) Actually for me, its either small hard brushes - 0.5-5px or very large soft ones 50-150px that

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-09 Thread Martin Renold
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 11:29:45AM +0300, Alexia Death wrote: Sven Neumann wrote: - Is copying really the best solution? Simple. IMHO yes. Then you have to maintain the user directory if the next release adds/deletes/moves some default brushes. In MyPaint I have solved this by copying the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-09 Thread Valerie
Hi I'm just a user of GIMP, not a developer. I usually only use the brush-editor and just open the same brush all the time and changing size and shape the way I need it. I hardly ever use the default-brushes. So here is an idea I thought of, when I read your discussion: Why not set the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-09 Thread Bill Skaggs
The root of the problem, really, is that gimp currently shows every brush in its search path. There won't be any major improvement until that basic problem is fixed, and the user is given control over which brushes are available at any given moment. Fortunately, there is an ongoing Summer of

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-08 Thread Valerie
What version of GIMP are you using? We replaced all the roundish pixmap brushes with parametric ones for GIMP 2.4. The actual problem is not that the brushes would be pixmap brushes. They are just not editable because they are in the system brush folder. What needs to be done is to add

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-08 Thread Alexia Death
Valerie wrote: The other half is that with brush resize in tool options now (where everybody can see it), even non-editable round brushes can be rescaled, which means the default distribution should have not 10 round brushes, but 1 (same with fuzzy brushes and maybe calligraphy). I

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-08 Thread Valerie
I wholly agree. Those un-editable round brushes are constantly in the way. Instead having a nice set of different(square, star, calligraphy etc) parametric brushes that are editable from the start would make much more sense. Not entirely sure if that is needed. Texture brushes people

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-08 Thread Filipe Soares Dilly
Hi; Thanks for the reference Valerie. I'm Filsd. :) I agree with you. GIMP needs a new and revised set of default Brushes. And in my experience as a professor of CG Art (using only open-source: GIMP, blender...) I find many people that don't even think in GIMP as a Digital Painting program

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-08 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 00:30 -0700, Valerie wrote: The other half is that with brush resize in tool options now (where everybody can see it), even non-editable round brushes can be rescaled, which means the default distribution should have not 10 round brushes, but 1 (same with fuzzy

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-08 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 13:10 +0300, Alexia Death wrote: Valerie wrote: The other half is that with brush resize in tool options now (where everybody can see it), even non-editable round brushes can be rescaled, which means the default distribution should have not 10 round brushes,

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-08 Thread Rogier Wolff
On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 10:27:41PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 13:10 +0300, Alexia Death wrote: Valerie wrote: The other half is that with brush resize in tool options now (where everybody can see it), even non-editable round brushes can be rescaled,

[Gimp-developer] Gimp default brush set contest

2008-07-07 Thread Valerie
Note: the developers barely have to do a thing. Half the current default is made up of non-editable round-ish brushes (that in my opinion makes the brush editor hard to discover, because new users end up wondering why the brush editor never works. In fact, I start each new installation of Gimp