Alexia Death wrote:
Well, on developer side there seems to be a consensus forming that
this ps-
menurc file should and will be removed from git and I personally
agree. such
enhancements should be maintained outside gimp. So most likely, once
this is
over you are furher away from what
On 2/2/11, Bogdan Szczurek wrote:
different after all. Please don't be mad at me for saying that for I
don't intend to offend anybody.
Nobody's mad at you :) I see where you are coming from, I even spent
some time in the past providing this kind of solutions for e.g.
Inkscape users
On 2/2/11, Bogdan Szczurek wrote:
different after all. Please don't be mad at me for saying that for I
don't intend to offend anybody.
Nobody's mad at you :)
And I said that to be sure that nobody will be :).
I see where you are coming from, I even spent
some time in the past
On 2/1/11, Christopher Curtis wrote:
I would agree that there are problems with the way people tend to
interact on this list. One of which is the knee-jerk reaction
whenever an email comes across with the word Photoshop in it.
What you call knee-jerk reaction is the result of generations of
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 2:39 AM, gespert...@gmail.com
gespert...@gmail.com wrote:
A couple of days ago a voluntary coder (with an impressive CV) arrived
to this list offering his help and he only got a couple of replies.
This pointless discussion got a lot more of attention.
This discussion is
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 4:00 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/1/11, Christopher Curtis wrote:
interact on this list. One of which is the knee-jerk reaction
whenever an email comes across with the word Photoshop in it.
What you call knee-jerk reaction is the
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:30:05 -0500
Christopher Curtis ccurt...@gmail.com wrote:
I asked if anyone would complain about a patch that brings GIMP in
line with every other program that I could find wrt using Backspace as
color fill. One person objected, nobody said it would be a fine patch
--
Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com writes:
On 2/1/11, Christopher Curtis wrote:
I would agree that there are problems with the way people tend to
interact on this list. One of which is the knee-jerk reaction
whenever an email comes across with the word Photoshop in
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Michael Grosberg
grosberg.mich...@gmail.com wrote:
Add a single For Photoshop users page to the help file. There, tell users
how
to change the menurc file so they have photoshop-like keys. This won't change
the application in any way, and will enable those who
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote:
How about this as a suggestion:
Find an existing menuRc files with photoshop key bindings. Ask the author if
it
can be included in a Gimp release. Include it as a renamed file so its not
loaded by default. find a maintainer for it (the
As it was stated before, making applications act similar doesn't
turn out in familiarity, but in a percepction of incompleteness. The
most our applications looks like others, the most former users of
other applications will spot what's missing, perceiving differences as
limitations.
When I
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Christopher Curtis wrote:
What you call knee-jerk reaction is the result of generations of
users coming and telling the team to just make GIMP like Photoshop or
I recognize the root of the issue, but that makes it no less an issue.
What may seem to you like
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
Because people talk about the big picture. Pretty please carefully
reread what Jon Cruz wrote in the thread. It's a spot-on message.
You mean Jon Senior?
js
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On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote:
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
Because people talk about the big picture. Pretty please carefully
reread what Jon Cruz wrote in the thread. It's a spot-on message.
You mean Jon Senior?
Nope. I did mean Jon
Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com writes:
*sigh*
http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/etc/ps-menurc
Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
I will refrain from expressing my opinion on undocumented, undiscoverable
features.
Now only a help page is
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 19:01:12 +0300
Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote:
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
Because people talk about the big picture. Pretty please carefully
reread what
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote:
I will refrain from expressing my opinion on undocumented, undiscoverable
features.
Now only a help page is needed. I think I'll go and join the Gimp-Docs
mailing list and take it from there. This is an area in which I have a lot
of
On 02/01/2011 06:25 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote:
I will refrain from expressing my opinion on undocumented, undiscoverable
features.
Now only a help page is needed. I think I'll go and join the Gimp-Docs
mailing list and take it
On 02/01/2011 06:25 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote:
I will refrain from expressing my opinion on undocumented,
undiscoverable features.
Now only a help page is needed. I think I'll go and join the
Gimp-Docs mailing list and take
On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 17:16 +, Michael Grosberg wrote:
Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com writes:
*sigh*
http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/etc/ps-menurc
Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
I will refrain from expressing my opinion
As it was stated before, making applications act similar doesn't
turn out in familiarity, but in a percepction of incompleteness. The
most our applications looks like others, the most former users of
other applications will spot what's missing, perceiving differences as
limitations.
When I
On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 17:16 +, Michael Grosberg wrote:
Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com writes:
*sigh*
http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/etc/ps-menurc
Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
I will refrain from expressing
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Michael Grosberg
grosberg.mich...@gmail.com wrote:
Add a single For Photoshop users page to the help file. There,
tell users how to change the menurc file so they have
photoshop-like keys. This won't change the application in any way,
and will enable those
And all this conversation is because you think CTRL+Backspace makes
more sense than CTRL+. (because you're used to that combination) and
you don't want to take 30 seconds of your time to personalize the
accelerators?
Seriously?
If think so then I'm afraid that you didn't read my posts
On Wednesday, February 02, 2011 01:28:04 Bogdan Szczurek wrote:
This pointless discussion got a lot more of attention.
Pointless it is if it doesn't bring any changes but that can be said
only after it's over. Right now I can see that there's at least a will
to at least make things clearer
On Jan 30, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 01:43 +0100, Bogdan Szczurek wrote:
The thing is, that we concluded that permamenet transition or even
occasional use of Gimp would be much more appealing for Ps-bred
guys (like me ;)) if one would have
ROFL
On 02/01/2011 03:54 PM, Ofnuts wrote:
On 02/01/2011 06:25 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote:
I will refrain from expressing my opinion on undocumented, undiscoverable
features.
Now only a help page is needed. I think I'll go and join
Furthermore, collaborating with Inkscape *instead* makes a lot of
sense, because GIMP + Inkscape are a usual combo. Blindly reusing
shortcuts from old Adobe products doesn't make a lot of sense.
Blindly—yes. But proposition is not to do it that way. My reason is: I
want to promote GIMP to e.g.
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote:
I'm actually Ok with this. But we have to agree what we mean by peer
applications - I'd say gimp and inkscape are, for example, and not gimp
and photoshop.
So your argument is that on the Software Spectrum GIMP is not a
On 31 January 2011 17:33, Christopher Curtis ccurt...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote:
I'm actually Ok with this. But we have to agree what we mean by peer
applications - I'd say gimp and inkscape are, for example, and not gimp
and
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Christopher Curtis wrote:
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
I'm actually Ok with this. But we have to agree what we mean by peer
applications - I'd say gimp and inkscape are, for example, and not gimp
and photoshop.
So your argument is
Christopher Curtis ccurtis0 at gmail.com writes:
I don't know if you're intentionally setting up a stawman here, but
inkscape is a vector editor, blender is a 3D modeler, and gedit is a
text editor. These applications aren't in the same domain as GIMP and
MyPaint.
Don't dismiss it so
Let me start off by saying that this conversion is exasperating, and
this will likely be my last message on the topic.
Firstly, let me define peer group: Any set of applications that
interpret data in a specific way and allows the user to view or
manipulate said interpretation in any specific
Actually, I intended this thread to be about “Photoshop «compatibility»
mode” (quotation marks to emphasize that I meant only particular kind of
compatibility :)).
I'm afraid the conversation went a bit off-topic since I didn't
suggested changes in _default_ shortcuts scheme for GIMP. What I
And all this conversation is because you think CTRL+Backspace makes
more sense than CTRL+. (because you're used to that combination) and
you don't want to take 30 seconds of your time to personalize the
accelerators?
Seriously?
GIMP accelerators are customizable using a visible option from the
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 9:39 PM, gespert...@gmail.com
gespert...@gmail.com wrote:
And all this conversation is because you think CTRL+Backspace makes
more sense than CTRL+. (because you're used to that combination) and
you don't want to take 30 seconds of your time to personalize the
On Jan 30, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 01:43 +0100, Bogdan Szczurek wrote:
The thing is, that we concluded that permamenet transition or even
occasional use of Gimp would be much more appealing for Ps-bred guys
(like me ;)) if one would have possibility to
As we use to say in Uberwald, if you
don't want a monster, you don't pull a lever :)
It's just a matter of thunderstomrs, really!
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On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote:
On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 01:43 +0100, Bogdan Szczurek wrote:
The thing is, that we concluded that permamenet transition or even
occasional use of Gimp would be much more appealing for Ps-bred guys
(like me ;)) if one would
The world would be better if each application domain had a consistent
set of core accelerators. File-New, File-Save, Cut/Copy/Paste, etc.
are good for most all applications. For a graphics program, common
tools like Pencil, Eraser, Move, Crop, etc. should have consistent
accelerators.
On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 12:35 -0500, Christopher Curtis wrote:
The world would be better if each application domain had a consistent
set of core accelerators. File-New, File-Save, Cut/Copy/Paste, etc.
are good for most all applications. For a graphics program, common
tools like Pencil,
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Rob Antonishen
rob.antonis...@gmail.com wrote:
The world would be better if each application domain had a consistent
set of core accelerators. File-New, File-Save, Cut/Copy/Paste, etc.
are good for most all applications. For a graphics program, common
tools
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote:
Yes, perhaps it might be nice if the key to get the eraser was the same
in inkscape and gimp and blender and gedit and krita and mypaint, but it
could no longer be E because that inserts text in gedit, so we'd end
up using
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote:
Yes, perhaps it might be nice if the key to get the eraser was the same
in inkscape and gimp and blender and gedit and krita and mypaint, but it
[...]
I overlooked Krita. Krita uses Backspace as a BG Color Fill and
On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 13:59 -0500, Christopher Curtis wrote:
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote:
Yes, perhaps it might be nice if the key to get the eraser was the same
in inkscape and gimp and blender and gedit and krita and mypaint, but it
could no
On 1/30/11, Christopher Curtis wrote:
So all I'm suggesting is that instead of simply producing PhotoShop
keybindings (which is a fine idea, IMO)
They already are produced
that an interested person actually look at the broader picture to see
if there is any accelerator convergence among
On 1/30/11, Bogdan Szczurek wrote:
Lately I've been discussing with a collegue of mine some differences
between Gimp and Photoshop and how long-time Ps user feel when seated
in front of Gimp. I know… I know… the neverending subject, but I'm not
trying to start the flame again,
Do you
On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 01:43 +0100, Bogdan Szczurek wrote:
The thing is, that we concluded that permamenet transition or even
occasional use of Gimp would be much more appealing for Ps-bred guys
(like me ;)) if one would have possibility to use the same (or at least
much similar) keyboard
Hi!
Lately I've been discussing with a collegue of mine some differences
between Gimp and Photoshop and how long-time Ps user feel when
seated in front of Gimp. I know… I know… the neverending subject,
but I'm not trying to start the flame again,
Do you genuinely expect us to believe
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