Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 2/1/11, Christopher Curtis wrote: I would agree that there are problems with the way people tend to interact on this list. One of which is the knee-jerk reaction whenever an email comes across with the word Photoshop in it. What you call knee-jerk reaction is the result of generations of

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 2:39 AM, gespert...@gmail.com gespert...@gmail.com wrote: A couple of days ago a voluntary coder (with an impressive CV) arrived to this list offering his help and he only got a couple of replies. This pointless discussion got a lot more of attention. This discussion is

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Christopher Curtis
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 4:00 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/1/11, Christopher Curtis wrote: interact on this list.  One of which is the knee-jerk reaction whenever an email comes across with the word Photoshop in it. What you call knee-jerk reaction is the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Jon Senior
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:30:05 -0500 Christopher Curtis ccurt...@gmail.com wrote: I asked if anyone would complain about a patch that brings GIMP in line with every other program that I could find wrt using Backspace as color fill. One person objected, nobody said it would be a fine patch --

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Michael Grosberg
Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com writes: On 2/1/11, Christopher Curtis wrote: I would agree that there are problems with the way people tend to interact on this list. One of which is the knee-jerk reaction whenever an email comes across with the word Photoshop in

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Alexia Death
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Michael Grosberg grosberg.mich...@gmail.com wrote: Add a single For Photoshop users page to the help file. There, tell users how to change the menurc file so they have photoshop-like keys. This won't change the application in any way, and will enable those who

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote: How about this as a suggestion: Find an existing menuRc files with photoshop key bindings. Ask the author if it can be included in a Gimp release. Include it as a renamed file so its not loaded by default. find a maintainer for it (the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread gespert...@gmail.com
As it was stated before, making applications act similar doesn't turn out in familiarity, but in a percepction of incompleteness. The most our applications looks like others, the most former users of other applications will spot what's missing, perceiving differences as limitations. When I

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Christopher Curtis wrote: What you call knee-jerk reaction is the result of generations of users coming and telling the team to just make GIMP like Photoshop or I recognize the root of the issue, but that makes it no less an issue.  What may seem to you like

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: Because people talk about the big picture. Pretty please carefully reread what Jon Cruz wrote in the thread. It's a spot-on message. You mean Jon Senior? js -- Alexandre Prokoudine

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: Because people talk about the big picture. Pretty please carefully reread what Jon Cruz wrote in the thread. It's a spot-on message. You mean Jon Senior? Nope. I did mean Jon

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Michael Grosberg
Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com writes: *sigh* http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/etc/ps-menurc Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org I will refrain from expressing my opinion on undocumented, undiscoverable features. Now only a help page is

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Jon Senior
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 19:01:12 +0300 Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: Because people talk about the big picture. Pretty please carefully reread what

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote: I will refrain from expressing my opinion on undocumented, undiscoverable features. Now only a help page is needed. I think I'll go and join the Gimp-Docs mailing list and take it from there. This is an area in which I have a lot of

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Ofnuts
On 02/01/2011 06:25 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote: I will refrain from expressing my opinion on undocumented, undiscoverable features. Now only a help page is needed. I think I'll go and join the Gimp-Docs mailing list and take it

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On 02/01/2011 06:25 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote: I will refrain from expressing my opinion on undocumented, undiscoverable features. Now only a help page is needed. I think I'll go and join the Gimp-Docs mailing list and take

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Sven Neumann
On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 17:16 +, Michael Grosberg wrote: Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com writes: *sigh* http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/etc/ps-menurc Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org I will refrain from expressing my opinion

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
As it was stated before, making applications act similar doesn't turn out in familiarity, but in a percepction of incompleteness. The most our applications looks like others, the most former users of other applications will spot what's missing, perceiving differences as limitations. When I

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 17:16 +, Michael Grosberg wrote: Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com writes: *sigh* http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/etc/ps-menurc Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org I will refrain from expressing

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Michael Grosberg grosberg.mich...@gmail.com wrote: Add a single For Photoshop users page to the help file. There, tell users how to change the menurc file so they have photoshop-like keys. This won't change the application in any way, and will enable those

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
And all this conversation is because you think CTRL+Backspace makes more sense than CTRL+. (because you're used to that combination) and you don't want to take 30 seconds of your time to personalize the accelerators? Seriously? If think so then I'm afraid that you didn't read my posts

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Alexia Death
On Wednesday, February 02, 2011 01:28:04 Bogdan Szczurek wrote: This pointless discussion got a lot more of attention. Pointless it is if it doesn't bring any changes but that can be said only after it's over. Right now I can see that there's at least a will to at least make things clearer

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop “compatibility” mode

2011-02-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On Jan 30, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote: On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 01:43 +0100, Bogdan Szczurek wrote: The thing is, that we concluded that permamenet transition or even occasional use of Gimp would be much more appealing for Ps-bred guys (like me ;)) if one would have

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Eric Grivel
ROFL On 02/01/2011 03:54 PM, Ofnuts wrote: On 02/01/2011 06:25 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote: I will refrain from expressing my opinion on undocumented, undiscoverable features. Now only a help page is needed. I think I'll go and join

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop “compatibility” mode

2011-02-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
Furthermore, collaborating with Inkscape *instead* makes a lot of sense, because GIMP + Inkscape are a usual combo. Blindly reusing shortcuts from old Adobe products doesn't make a lot of sense. Blindly—yes. But proposition is not to do it that way. My reason is: I want to promote GIMP to e.g.