Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-20 Thread Damien Genet
Hi, Le jeu 19/06/2003 à 10:55, Sven Neumann a écrit : You can get 160 hits on google for whatever statement you would like to make. It is a stupid attempt to try to prove anything with a search engine that has billions of pages archived. I also agree that coming up with a google search is

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-19 Thread Tino Schwarze
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 11:35:51PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: And please try a google search for gimp 2.0 as suggested. My quick looking reveals gimp 2.0 backend, 16 bit, cmyk, does qualify for pre press ... I did that since Marc suggested and I spent some time with the results. I

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-19 Thread David Neary
Hans Breuer wrote: To clarify things a bit and to justify a 2.0 version number for this release, I made a compressed version of the NEWS file as found in the 1.3 tree. So here's a list of (mostly user-visible) changes. I'm sure I still missed quite a few things... I could comment on every

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-19 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, pcg( Marc)@goof(A.).(Lehmann )com writes: I'm sorry but I need to sell this conference at the moment and everyone seems flat broke. We really could need some good marketing and instead Who is we? A company? You are selling a conference? So the fact that you mentioned the number 2.0 to

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-19 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tino Schwarze) writes: I did a more specific search: http://www.google.com/search?q=gimp+2.0+-gtk+-GTK+GEGL+-gimp-developer+-gegl-developer I excluded pages mentioning GTK plus the developer lists. Still 160 hits, some on major sites. The main argument against naming

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-19 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Personally I wouldn't be averse to calling the current CVS 2.0, and having a 2.2 pretty quickly afterwards (say around Christmas) as was done with GTK+ to say All known bugs introduced in the 2.0 release are fixed. I am glad you said that since

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-19 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, pcg( Marc)@goof(A.).(Lehmann )com writes: Ok, here's _my_ deal: *If* you say that not calling it 2.0 would cause problems in fundraising, then you simply win... While my concerns were, for me, important enough to mention them (and argue about them), and while the gtk+ has 2 etc.. style

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-19 Thread David Neary
Sven Neumann wrote: Yes, please. But we probably need to get to a point here. GIMP-something.0 sounds pretty weird for a stable release... I say it's time for a show of hands. My vote is for 2.0, because there are likely to be lots of new bugs and 1.4 makes it sould like a really stable

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-19 Thread Adam D. Moss
David Neary wrote: By the way, what's the current story with PuPUS? Is it abandoned, or will it get released at some stage post-1.3+? You can look back through the archives for my notes on pupus' state. In summary I had to kill it because of lack of time. An early version was up and running, but

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-19 Thread Tino Schwarze
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 12:14:30PM +0200, David Neary wrote: Yes, please. But we probably need to get to a point here. GIMP-something.0 sounds pretty weird for a stable release... I say it's time for a show of hands. My vote is for 2.0, because there are likely to be lots of new bugs and

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-19 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 12:14, David Neary wrote: Sven Neumann wrote: Yes, please. But we probably need to get to a point here. GIMP-something.0 sounds pretty weird for a stable release... I say it's time for a show of hands. My vote is for 2.0, because there are likely to be lots of new

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-19 Thread pcg
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 12:56:03PM +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still disagree on that, people are eagerly waiting for 2.0 for the very features it should have. Unfortunately. Are they? I do. Others on this list do. It's up to you to make your opinion on that. I don't

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-19 Thread pcg
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 12:14:30PM +0200, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I say it's time for a show of hands. My vote is for 2.0, because My vote is for 1.x, or 2.0, if sven decides it on the grounds that we need it for marketing. The other arguments simply don't overweight the confusion I

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-19 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, pcg( Marc)@goof(A.).(Lehmann )com writes: When, if not now, do you want to increase the major version number? When there is a major change (e.g. gegl, cmyk). Using another toolkit is not a major change at all to me. Using the same internal representation for images, having the same

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-19 Thread Øyvind Kolås
* Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030619 17:18]: Hi, pcg( Marc)@goof(A.).(Lehmann )com writes: When, if not now, do you want to increase the major version number? When there is a major change (e.g. gegl, cmyk). Using another toolkit is not a major change at all to me. Using the same

[Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-19 Thread José Manuel García-Patos
My point in this situation is that, given that version number doesn´t matter all that much, why can´t we just be honest with ourselves and call it 1.4? Look, nobody cares about version numbers anymore. Let´s take the Linux kernel as an example: version 2.2 got a lot more of media attention than

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-19 Thread pcg
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 05:09:57PM +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, so replacing the approx. 8,000 lines of code in the base directory with GEGL would be considered a major feature. If we get all the other stuff we said would be in 2.0, yes. The fact that the other 230,000

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-19 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, pcg( Marc)@goof(A.).(Lehmann )com writes: Well, from a user perspective, the improvement from using gtk2 over gtk1 is very nearly nil Even for me, the switch from gtk2 to gtk1 in itself is not at all an important new feature or improvement. I wonder why you keep talking about the

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-19 Thread Raymond Ostertag
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:03:55 +0200 David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since CVS has what amounts to a re-write of 1.2 (as opposed to the modularisation which was envisaged way back at GIMPCon 2000), we would need to be careful that we don't give the impression of stability with an

[Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-18 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Marc kept stating that there are no user-visible changes in GIMP-1.3. I really don't know how much time he spent with GIMP-1.3 but I doubt that he is aware of the amount of changes that have been made. To clarify things a bit and to justify a 2.0 version number for this release, I made a

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-18 Thread Adam D. Moss
Sven Neumann wrote: - New RGB-Indexed quantizer Although this should generally be pretty good and better than the old quantizer, I was hoping to do a nice long tweaking'n'tuning session for this in the 1.3 timeframe, which is where things get sexy. Unfortunately it didn't work out like that

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-18 Thread pcg
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 07:20:13PM +0200, Hans Breuer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sven, is it time to flame again ? Please, although I am easily at flaming, I do not intend to do it, nor was it my intent to put off Sven, who works _so_ much, nor is it useful to start a flamewar with sven, who

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-18 Thread Branko Collin
On 18 Jun 2003, at 23:35, Sven Neumann wrote: Hans Breuer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually a few magazines already know that the next stable release is supposed to be 2.0 for some time already. Perhaps I told one or even two people involved in the computer magazine business about it

Re: [Gimp-developer] What's new in GIMP-1.3 so far

2003-06-18 Thread pcg
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 11:35:51PM +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps I told one or even two people involved in the computer magazine business about it when I tried to get some support for the conference this summer. What did you tell them, that gimp-2.0 will be released or