Re: More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools

1999-11-01 Thread Olof S Kylander
Hello all Gimpers ;-) On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Michael Natterer wrote: Hi all, all the stuff below sounds quite good (the current modifier usage is really confusing, even for experienced users). When redefining it (making it consistent), we shouldn't forget to care for dnd. Hacking dnd of

Re: More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools

1999-11-01 Thread Olof S Kylander
Hello all On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Austin Donnelly wrote: On Monday, 1 Nov 1999, Michael Natterer wrote: shift+mouse2 -- copy paste the selection mask or copy paste the selection itself (if it's floated) ctrl+mouse2 -- cut paste the selection ifself

Re: More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools

1999-11-01 Thread Bernhard Herzog
Michael Natterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I'm not entirely happy with this, too. However there are places where both eg a popup _and_ dnd are logical to bind to mouse1. If I find a way to intuitively distinguish the default mouse1 action (poping up the preview) and dnd, I'll run and

Re: More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools

1999-11-01 Thread Tuomas Kuosmanen
On Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 10:29:38AM +, Austin Donnelly wrote: On Monday, 1 Nov 1999, Michael Natterer wrote: shift+mouse2 -- copy paste the selection mask or copy paste the selection itself (if it's floated) ctrl+mouse2 -- cut paste the selection ifself

Re: More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools

1999-11-01 Thread Tuomas Kuosmanen
On Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 12:12:28PM +0100, Olof S Kylander wrote: Well see in your own mail below where you say use PS mod keys/short cuts. When you move a PS selection you move the selection it self. You aren't making it into a floating selection. See more below. I'm just saying use "to

Re: More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools

1999-11-01 Thread Tuomas Kuosmanen
On Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 11:12:29AM +0100, Michael Natterer wrote: (You see I'm still speaking in terms of "floating" because I didn't quite get what Tigert means with "nuke" ;-) Just listen to Olof :) I was probably sleeping or something .. The point is in Photoshop you can do a trick

Re: More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools

1999-11-01 Thread Michael J. Hammel
Thus spoke Olof S Kylander Gimp is a X11/UNIX program, which is designed to make use of three mouse buttons. I say get a three button mouse or don't use Gimp. It's a ton easier to use the middle mouse button than to remember a trillion mod key combinations. 2 button mice can be mapped to

Re: More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools

1999-11-01 Thread Carey Bunks
Dear Olof, Michael for the freeze - focus on bug fixing. UI problems can be Michael considered bugs, but the truth is they are a design issue. They do work, Michael just not as might be desired. I think that Michael has a good point here. Why is it useful to declare a feature freeze? In

Re: More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools

1999-11-01 Thread Olof S Kylander
Hello Gimpers On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Carey Bunks wrote: Michael for the freeze - focus on bug fixing. UI problems can be Michael considered bugs, but the truth is they are a design issue. They do work, Michael just not as might be desired. I think that Michael has a good point here. Why

FREEZE (was Re: More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools)

1999-11-01 Thread Nick Lamb
On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Carey Bunks wrote: I think that Michael has a good point here. Why is it useful to declare a feature freeze? In my opinion the answer is so people can begin making plans with respect to the upcoming new stable release. If just anything is allowed after a feature freeze

Re: More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools

1999-11-01 Thread Michael J. Hammel
Thus spoke Olof S Kylander Hello Michael, Howdy! Well I know that there are people trying to write books, I'm one of them. And sure my life would be a lot easier if we just said release Gimp 1.2 on Jan 21 2000. But I tend to look at the user and the community instead. I think the best goal

Re: More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools

1999-11-01 Thread Michael J. Hammel
Thus spoke Olof S Kylander It depends how you specify feature freeze. Some specify it as a stop to add anything (nearly a code freeze) some one else specify it as a clean up and fix time until we enter code freeze. In commercial development (telecom and interactive cable, for example, where

Re: FREEZE (was Re: More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools)

1999-11-01 Thread Michael J. Hammel
Thus spoke Nick Lamb If no-one else will do it, I hearby offer to REVERT all features added to Gimp. It's quite obvious that some/ most of the people here will continue to rationalise additional features until well into the new millenium (and I don't mean 2000). Hopefully this won't be

More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools

1999-10-31 Thread Olof S Kylander
Hello Again There are some major inconsistency or more precisely hard to use functions in the eraser, the sharpen/blur and dodge/burn tools. Pressing Ctrl will change the tool behavior from eraser -- anti-eraser, blur -- sharpen and dodge -- burn. Pressing Ctrl will in combination with

Re: More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools

1999-10-31 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, There are some major inconsistency or more precisely hard to use functions in the eraser, the sharpen/blur and dodge/burn tools. Pressing Ctrl will change the tool behavior from eraser -- anti-eraser, blur -- sharpen and dodge -- burn. Pressing Ctrl will in combination with Shift

Re: More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools

1999-10-31 Thread Olof S Kylander
Hello Yes, we have to overwork the modifier keys! HeHe ;-), it is more or less impossible to know what all of them do. I'd propose to use only a single modifier for constraining the movement into a special direction. The gradient/blend tool already offers this. Strg/Ctrl are bound to

Re: More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools

1999-10-31 Thread Tuomas Kuosmanen
On Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 01:08:03PM +0100, Olof S Kylander wrote: Hello Again There are some major inconsistency or more precisely hard to use functions in the eraser, the sharpen/blur and dodge/burn tools. Pressing Ctrl will change the tool behavior from eraser -- anti-eraser, blur --

Re: [gimp-devel] Re: More Inconsistency in eraser, blur and dodge tools

1999-10-31 Thread Simon Budig
Tuomas Kuosmanen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: We also have Space if we need something. On Photoshop it is used for panning, but Gimp has mouse2 for that. Could Space be a toggle after all for the togglable tools? I know we had a talk about this a while back, and we agreed that Shift is a