Re: [gmx-users] prodrg 4.5beta generated topologies and exclusions

2009-06-15 Thread Mark Abraham

Dean Cue bas wrote:

Hello all. Just a quick clarification, please.

Reading the original GROMOS53A6 paper, it appears that 2nd neighbor 
(1-3) interactions are always excluded, and that third neighbor (1-4) 
non-bonding interactions are used, yet modified in some circumstances. 
The paper also states that all (1-4) interactions should be explicitly 
excluded for atoms either within or directly bonded to aromatic rings to 
help keep planarity. I could confirm this in the adenine topology in the 
ffG53a6.rtp file where there were the above described exclusions in the 
[exclusions] section for that residue.


Now my questions.

Prodrg4.5beta produces .itp files for all my ligands where under the 
[moleculetype] section it states that nrexcl is 3.


Doesn’t this automatically exclude all (1-4) interactions for that ligand?  


Yes, such interactions are excluded.

If so, then doesn’t that automatically negate the need to explicitly 
exclude the (1-4) interactions for planar aromatic systems as described 
above in the ff paper?


The authors of that paper were probably not pre-supposing the use of any 
particular topology-generation tool.


If so, then doesn’t excluding all these third neighbor (1-4) 
interactions for ligand topologies produced by Prodrg ignore 
intra-molecular interactions that are important in the simulated 
behavior and properties of these ligands?


It would seem so. If this bothered me, I would start by reading the 
PRODRG documentation - but I would have done that before using anything 
it generated.


Doesn’t this imply that the default for ffG53a6 intra-molecular 
protein-atom/protein-atom non-bonded interactions is nrexcl =2 ?


That might depend on the mechanism that is being used for the different 
and/or missing 1-4 interactions. Pre-excluding and then adding might be 
easier than pre-including and then excluding.


Thanks in advance for any clarification in this area.  I just want to be 
sure I’m accounting for my exclusions properly.


Mark
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[gmx-users] prodrg 4.5beta generated topologies and exclusions

2009-06-13 Thread Dean Cuebas
Hello all. Just a quick clarification, please.

Reading the original GROMOS53A6 paper, it appears that 2nd neighbor (1-3)
interactions are always excluded, and that third neighbor (1-4) non-bonding
interactions are used, yet modified in some circumstances. The paper also
states that all (1-4) interactions should be explicitly excluded for atoms
either within or directly bonded to aromatic rings to help keep planarity. I
could confirm this in the adenine topology in the ffG53a6.rtp file where
there were the above described exclusions in the [exclusions] section for
that residue.

Now my questions. 

Prodrg4.5beta produces .itp files for all my ligands where under the
[moleculetype] section it states that nrexcl is 3.

Doesn¹t this automatically exclude all (1-4) interactions for that ligand?


If so, then doesn¹t that automatically negate the need to explicitly exclude
the (1-4) interactions for planar aromatic systems as described above in the
ff paper?

If so, then doesn¹t excluding all these third neighbor (1-4) interactions
for ligand topologies produced by Prodrg ignore intra-molecular interactions
that are important in the simulated behavior and properties of these
ligands? 

Doesn¹t this imply that the default for ffG53a6 intra-molecular
protein-atom/protein-atom non-bonded interactions is nrexcl =2 ?

Thanks in advance for any clarification in this area.  I just want to be
sure I¹m accounting for my exclusions properly.

Regards,

Dean


  

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