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At some point hitherto, Paul Iadonisi hath spake thusly:
Compare Derek's complaints to what I
would consider standard sysadmin practices as espoused by Evi
Nemeth, et al, in the UNIX/Linux System Administrator's Handbook
series. RH
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At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly:
On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, at 10:55am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't disagree with any of that, I was merely stating that it's an
amusing read.
You forget there is a real person on
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FYI,
My e-mail is currently not reliable. I seem to be having connection
problems after a wierd power glitch the other day. I'm working on
it... But in the mean time if you send me mail there's a good chance
it will be deferred for more than
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At some point hitherto, Erik Price hath spake thusly:
On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, at 12:13 PM, Kevin D. Clark wrote:
[please configure your mailer to wrap lines]
Is that the customary setting?
Yes.
I thought that the burden of wrapping
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At some point hitherto, Mark Polhamus hath spake thusly:
Has anyone come across clear, concise instructions for synchronizing
my clock to a network time server? I need instructions that will
work for a system that connects to the internet using
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At some point hitherto, Paul Iadonisi hath spake thusly:
1) I refuse to pay full price for a piece of equipment that I'm
not certain is 100% Linux compatible. (Winmodems+NonGPL Linmodem
drivers != 100% Linux compatible in my book.)
Why? You
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At some point hitherto, Dana S. Tellier hath spake thusly:
I have a better idea... how about (this has definitely been
mentioned before) people just take a moment to note who they're
replying to? Making a mistake and replying to all when you
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So far I've been quietly amused by this thread. :) But now I'd like
to make several points that people have sort of been dancing around in
this discussion, but haven't really hit upon, that I've seen so far.
1. There was, in fact, a discussion
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: virus information
Reply-To:
Twice in the last 24 hours, I've received e-mail with a virus
attached. The IP address which both e-mails came from is the same:
66.31.4.184. This is an ATT cable modem customer, so I'm
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At some point hitherto, Rich Payne hath spake thusly:
RedHat user, both have their advatages and disadvantages and one of the
advantages of Debian is that the packaging system is a little bit ahead of
RedHat (nothing that can't be fixed with
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At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, at 12:20pm, Derek D. Martin wrote:
Missing from both right now, I think, is the ability to say that a
particular package is recommended, but not required (does dpkg
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At some point hitherto, Charles Farinella hath spake thusly:
At the risk of contributing to said flame war, these are the steps I
took to upgrade openssh on RedHat 6.2:
[SNIP]
Not quite as easy, but pretty easy just the same, and I don't have to
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At some point hitherto, Paul Iadonisi hath spake thusly:
Has anyone on this list experimented with the MIRROR target of
iptables?
Bad, bad idea. This turns an attack back on the attacker, who may or
may not really be the source of the attack.
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I thought this was interesting, and some of you might too...
For all who might not have caught it last night, the spy show Alias
uses Linux. At about 40 min. through the show, they show Jack typing
away on a laptop, and careful examination reveals
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At some point hitherto, Chris hath spake thusly:
The issue I have is that during system startup, the BIOS finds,
identifies and allocates resources for my 2nd network card (Tried 2
different ones in different slots) however, during system startup,
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At some point hitherto, Michael O'Donnell hath spake thusly:
these days the boundary between the two is blurrier
than ever) but in commodity systems I assume you'd
agree that modems, NICs, SCSI adapters, etc are all
examples where the
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At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, at 8:45am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... you shouldn't allow NFS access to your mail spool ...
Ever. NFS's history of piss-poor file locking means a shared
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At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly:
On 25 Jun 2002, at 9:18am, Kevin D. Clark wrote:
Ever. NFS's history of piss-poor file locking means a shared mailspool is
a recipe for disaster in any kind of heterogeneous
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At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly:
On 24 Jun 2002, at 3:19pm, Kevin D. Clark wrote:
Could you provide clarification as to where you are proposing to store
this? On the IMAP server itself?
I am envisioning a
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At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly:
This raises a more general question: Does anyone here know of an IMAP
client tool(set) that can be driven from a command line or a shell script?
The more I think about it, the more I
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At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly:
This isn't exactly true; Paul is just stubborn.
Hey, wait! I resemble that remark! ;)
:)
You can either leave the messages on the server, or provide
your own back-up mechanism.
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At some point hitherto, Bill Freeman hath spake thusly:
I added an Adaptec AHA1542 and a Jaz drive to it (to have
enough room for a local iso image). Kudzu (or whatever checks for
new hardware) didn't notice, nor did the hardware browser.
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Hi all,
First off: Josh Flythe, contact me ASAP. Thanks! Now...
Due to circumstances that I really don't want to go into here, I'm
again finding myself without a job. I'm interested in obtaining a new
position that fits one of the following
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At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly:
In a message dated: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:19:44 EDT
Derek D. Martin said:
I'll buy a case of beer for the first person who figures out how to
make exmh NOT include all this header
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At some point hitherto, Jon Hall hath spake thusly:
--- Blind-Carbon-Copy
X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 01/15/2001 with nmh-1.0.4
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mail-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-face:
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At some point hitherto, Ben Boulanger hath spake thusly:
I would imagine that if Red Hat were in the same position, they'd say the
same thing. Just my guess, of course, but how could they/why would they
claim otherwise?
Actually they
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At some point hitherto, Derek D. Martin hath spake thusly:
At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly:
Hi all,
I just wanted to get this all out to you as soon as possible.
Our 2nd quaterly meeting this year
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At some point hitherto, Joseph E. Mainusch hath spake thusly:
It is a little bit crude, and I don't know that I would trust it
100% in a really security sensitive environment, but it does work.
In a really security-sensitive environment, I
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At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly:
It is unacceptable to have to do an xrdb -load on a resource file at startup.
It may be unacceptable, but I've been doing this for years. It's the
only way I can guarantee that
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At some point hitherto, Derek D. Martin hath spake thusly:
However, while Steven's having added this to the startkde script may
fix his problem, I'll note that the startkde script does not use xrdb
to load resources on RH 7.1 or RH 7.2 either. So
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At some point hitherto, mike ledoux hath spake thusly:
Your link indicates that this is not actually the case. I guess I'll
give it a try with one of the commercial scanners and see where that
leads. Thanks!
I have a slightly-more-than passing
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At some point hitherto, Ken Ambrose hath spake thusly:
Hello, all. As previously noted, I just got hitched. I've also got a
bunch of pictures, now (good ones, too!)
You should post a link to them when you're done!
, and I'd like to munge 'em
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At some point hitherto, Benjamin Scott hath spake thusly:
On Fri, 17 May 2002, at 4:08pm, Derek D. Martin wrote:
Some (like me) would argue that the right way *is* to remove the spaces
from your filenames.
Computers are a tool to be used
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At some point hitherto, Jerry Feldman hath spake thusly:
Especially in the Unix/Linux environment, I think that creating files or
directories with spaces is ill advised, but there is a reality. Many
Windows users are migrating to Linux, and are
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At some point hitherto, Steven W. Orr hath spake thusly:
This is complicated to explain, but please bear with me.
I just upgraded from RH-7.2 to 7.3. My problem is that, for some reason,
my backspace key no longer works in pine (as well as
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At some point hitherto, Michael Bovee hath spake thusly:
Hi again,
1) does fd0 strictly mean floppy disks or can that generically be
used for zip disks, too?
The short answer is yes, and no respectively. The longer answer is
that IIRC, the
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At some point hitherto, Kenneth E. Lussier hath spake thusly:
Hi All,
I've been considering moving my servers to ext3 for a while now, and I
think that I am ready to take the plunge.
To echo what Ben and Ben said, just make sure you've got a
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At some point hitherto, Ben Boulanger hath spake thusly:
On Mon, 13 May 2002, Derek D. Martin wrote:
I find it pretty presumptious of you to assume people should provide you
with the summary..
Well, I'm sorry, but that just seems silly to me
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At some point hitherto, Benjamin Scott hath spake thusly:
More effort has now been spent on this thread than will ever be spent
summarizing anything.
Sometimes, when one is a member of a loose community such as this one,
it is worth spending a
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At some point hitherto, Ben Boulanger hath spake thusly:
This is an interesting project that LANL's involved with.. rather than
try and misquote or misrepresent what it is, here's the link:
http://www.acl.lanl.gov/linuxbios/index.html
I propose
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At some point hitherto, Michael O'Donnell hath spake thusly:
Not long ago it was asked where RFCs
might be found online. I don't remember if
anybody mentioned http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/
but it seems to work well, just FYI...
I didn't see the
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At some point hitherto, mike ledoux hath spake thusly:
On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 04:15:16PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
FYI: Your mailer is broken, the above line appeared in the body of your
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At some point hitherto, Rodent of Unusual Size hath spake thusly:
Ben Boulanger wrote:
To get kernel info output to the serial line (and lose it on the VGA
line), in lilo.conf add:
serial=0,38400n8
image=blah
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At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hi all,
I'm thinking about getting W. Richard Stevens book Unix Network
Programming. Not for any particular reason other than I know
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At some point hitherto, Rodent of Unusual Size hath spake thusly:
Ben Boulanger wrote:
To get kernel info output to the serial line (and lose it on the VGA
[SNIP]
URL:http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.4/doc/serial-console.txt.html
suggests that
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At some point hitherto, Michael Costolo hath spake thusly:
--- Benjamin Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, at 5:12am, Michael Costolo wrote:
I don't believe that NVidia only releases binary drivers. I distinctly
recall
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At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly:
I apologize for not being a little more organized this month. This
new job thing has gotten in my way, and I've been quite distracted.
Oh come on, I reminded you about this at the
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At some point hitherto, Jerry Feldman hath spake thusly:
Actually, [ is a link to test. Linux uses a symlink, some Unixes use hard
links.
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root17496 Sep 20 2001 /usr/bin/test
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root
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At some point hitherto, Kenneth E. Lussier hath spake thusly:
On Mon, 2002-04-22 at 21:19, James R. Van Zandt wrote:
I'm thinking about a new machine too. What motherboard do you have?
Would that be your recommendation now for an Athlon? For
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At some point hitherto, Kevin D. Clark hath spake thusly:
result=badness# init with failure default
spewSomeKindOfOutput | while read input
do
result=goodness
done
echo $result
What is the output?
In
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At some point hitherto, Benjamin Scott hath spake thusly:
If portability is a concern, depending on the environment, it is sometimes
easier to install the GNU tools everywhere than try to craft something that
works on all the native tools.
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At some point hitherto, Tom Buskey hath spake thusly:
I've had problems with [[ ]] on pdksh in the past. [ ] is also
internal on modern unixen.
You can get the real ksh from David Korn's website. It's now freely
available, though I don't know
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If you haven't found/signed it yet, you can do so here:
http://www.petitiononline.com/nixdmca/
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GnuPG Key
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As we all know, rms started a campaign to get people to call Linux
systems GNU/Linux instead of Linux. His goal is to improve the
perceived recognition of the FSF and the GNU Project - a reasonable
goal. However I believe this method of achieving
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Oops... The reference (footnote [1]) was:
Bach, Maurice J. _The Design of the Unix Operating System_. Prentice
Hall, 1986, pg 4.
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At some point hitherto, Thomas M. Albright hath spake thusly:
What's with the 'let' keyword?
it's the only way i know to add to variables:
today=`date +%j`
let tomorrow=$today+1
If you need your scripts to be portable, the normal way to do
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At some point hitherto, Steven W. Orr hath spake thusly:
gunzip /usr/share/man/man1/bash.1.gz | groff -pte -man | lpr
Try it :-)
This is essentially identical to Matt's man -t bash, only with a lot
more typing.
The other difference is that it
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At some point hitherto, Rodent of Unusual Size hath spake thusly:
1. Is there any way to get access to the console through the
serial port?
Absolutely.
kernel source tree/Documentation/serial-console.txt
This file contains all the
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At some point hitherto, Cole Tuininga hath spake thusly:
You have to have serial support turned on on the server obviously, do
not turn on support for console on serial port. Believe it or not,
this is not what you want.
I disagree, with the
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At some point hitherto, Benjamin Scott hath spake thusly:
If the system is well and truly hung, the Linux serial console may be
toast, too, and will not help you.
Good point.
Many server machines have BIOS options which can enable pre-boot
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At some point hitherto, Michael O'Donnell hath spake thusly:
http://oss.mclinux.com/projects/crash/
crash can provide interesting insights into a live
system but is only useful for post-mortem stuff if
you've figured out how to convince
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Sorry for the noise, but my mail somehow became really wierd, so I'm
testing it.
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GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D
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At some point hitherto, Kevin D. Clark hath spake thusly:
1: Use ange-ftp. Fire up a gnuclient and type:
C-x C-f /root@somemachine:/etc/hosts
(it is possible to do this over ssh as well)
How please?
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Derek Martin
At some point hitherto, Rich Payne hath spake thusly:
I have woody running nicely on an Ultima 1
Great game! Though I liked Ultima III better, and Ultima Online
really rocked, until I started to resent the $10/mo. charge for
playing.
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At some point hitherto, Benjamin Scott hath spake thusly:
Which means you are sending it to them twice. Any mailing list includes
all of its members, by definition; sending to all is redundant. Do your
part to fight List Header Cancer, and
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At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly:
The first thing I'd like to do is have it append new entries to file
as opposed to inserting them at the top. Any idea how to do this?
None whatsoever, but I'd like to offer a
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At some point hitherto, Michael Bovee hath spake thusly:
Okay, apologies in advance, but something I _just dont get_ is the
PATH variable.
(I'm a born and raised Macintosh user so please bear with me)
I bought a SAMS Teach Yourself book on Unix,
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Some time in the past I was looking for a utility that would convert
from HTML to something else that could be converted into other useful
formats, but I had been unable to find such a beast. I happened
across html2latex while looking for something
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At some point hitherto, Mark Komarinski hath spake thusly:
Depending on how large the document is, you may want to just use
DocBook and generate PDF. Then again, you can generate RTF (the
base of DOC) from DocBook as well.
My experience with
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At some point hitherto, Jerry Feldman hath spake thusly:
7. 2 - Red Hat or SuSE?
BTW: I have had no luck gettung my Compaq WL110 (Orinoco) working.
I am not running WEP or other encryption on my WAP. I can see the orinoco
driver load when I
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At some point hitherto, Joshua S. Freeman hath spake thusly:
Anyone have any guidance on getting 7.2 (laptop installation) to see/use a
farallon wireless skyline card?
You should probably check out the Wireless Howto, here:
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At some point hitherto, Mark Komarinski hath spake thusly:
DocBook is great because it separates out the authoring from the
presentation.
Oh, I agree with the benefits of using it, I just find actually using
it painful.
There are a few newer
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At some point hitherto, Paul Iadonisi hath spake thusly:
pick on up. Anyone know if there is a Linux supported hardware
accelerated card that'll drive the SGI 1600SW widescreen? And if
so, anyone in the market for a Number Nine card that I might
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At some point hitherto, Benjamin Scott hath spake thusly:
I found DocBook to be really easy. All I needed was ...
You people are making a classic mistake, in not realizing what the
user (Derek, in this case) ) really means. Derek's a bright
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At some point hitherto, Benjamin Scott hath spake thusly:
On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, at 11:23pm, Derek D. Martin wrote:
For instance, the IMAP server can index the file and cache the results.
Already done. Look in the UW-IMAP documentation (I use
And don't forget dual-boot for PCs. Annoying to have to reboot, but
if a second PC isn't an option, this one's still available. There's
also wine, of course...
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Comment
, but you need to use an IMAP
capable client to access them through the IMAP server. Otherwise, it
wouldn't be an IMAP server...
Any of this help?
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At some point hitherto, Benjamin Scott hath spake thusly:
A Berkeley/mbox format mail store is basically a flat text file.
Being dissatisfied with the performance of UW IMAP, I've been thinking
a lot about this problem. I've got some ideas
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At some point hitherto, Benjamin Scott hath spake thusly:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, at 11:25am, Tom Buskey wrote:
Now, connect via SCSI to another machine (that doesn't have IDE) use
it as an external RAID system.
What you describe is possible
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At some point hitherto, Mark Komarinski hath spake thusly:
Say I'm running a database. NFS file locking doesn't work well. Local
disk locking does that's what this box would be. Local disk.
Wince you're not sharing the DB files with other
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At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly:
What he wants to do is use Linux/*BSD as an embedded OS to act as a
RAID controller connected via the scsi bus. Signals would be
originate by the OS on the Sun box, sent across the
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At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly:
it's all open source. Also, I understand that RH has based it's
clustering solution on Kimberlite and they've already gotten it
up to where the MCLX Convolo product was. Don't know if
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At some point hitherto, Benjamin Scott hath spake thusly:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, at 4:01pm, Derek D. Martin wrote:
Legally, they have to. Kimberlite is GPL, and any product based on it
must also be GPL.
No, any product incorporating
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At some point hitherto, Peter Beardsley hath spake thusly:
I'm dealing with import data from a Mac that has non-ascii apostrophes that
are hex d5. I wrote a regular expression in perl to replace them:
my $hex = 0xd5;
$str =~
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Ok, just when I thought Red Hat finally had licked the damn backspace
problem (at least, if you stay on Linux systems -- interoperability
with other Unixen is still shaky), I upgraded XFree86 (for no good
reason really, other than that the update was
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At some point hitherto, Rich C hath spake thusly:
I have found this to be the case with my setup, but I thought it was
due to my SMC router. When I set up a virtual host in the router to
route http port 80 to my internal machine (192.168.1.x)
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At some point hitherto, Rich C hath spake thusly:
not NAT the client). Since the IP address is internal, the server
sends the traffic to it directly, rather than back through the router.
The client is expecting a reply from www.myhost.com, but
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I know a lot of people here are politically active, so I thought this
was the best place I could ask this question:
If there is a particular bill introduced in the house of
representatives, say for example H.R. 1052-Consumer Credit Card
Protection
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At some point hitherto, Derek D. Martin hath spake thusly:
how can I find out if this bill has been passed into law?
Thanks to everyone who replied. I found what I was looking for. :)
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At some point hitherto, Michael O'Donnell hath spake thusly:
...and given that my WWW server is willing to serve
all such files mentioned in that fileList as long as
they're mentioned properly, is there a canned method
of converting that fileList
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At some point hitherto, Michael O'Donnell hath spake thusly:
A bit of tedium I'm hoping to avoid.
[SNIP]
Note that -print is the default action for find, and is
never needed, except on some very old variants of Unix.
Don't be dang pedantic!
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At some point hitherto, Benjamin Scott hath spake thusly:
Also, it may be useful to know that, when it comes to Paul Lussier
and Derek Martin, broken and misbehaving often evaluates to not
how Solaris does things. ;-)
Actually (and I know that
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At some point hitherto, Kevin D. Clark hath spake thusly:
That isn't quite true. The order is specified.
Deterministic but unspecified is a direct quote from my Solaris
box's man page. Since Solaris is very SYSV-flavored, and since only
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At some point hitherto, Tom Rauschenbach hath spake thusly:
Didn't Larry Wall say that it's easier to port a shell than to port a shell
script ?
Probably... He says stuff like that sometimes. Though it really
depends on the application... If
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At some point hitherto, Michael O'Donnell hath spake thusly:
because I don't see how owning a new (versus
used) RAID controller saves you if it fails.
If you can get a replacement controller under
warranty why can't you get a replacement
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At some point hitherto, Kevin D. Clark hath spake thusly:
it appears to be S26ypxfrd and ypserv also says S26ypserv. Does anyone
know if this is okay or should ypxfrd start later than it is.
Well if ypxfrd should start after ypserv (I'm going
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Friends and fellow Linux lovers,
Please please please trim replies. The point of quoting messages is
to provide context, and you completely defeat the purpose when you
quote the entire message, not to mention waste bandwidth. It is also
a
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Your e-mail client is wrapping somewhere around 90 columns. On this
list, it is generally regarded good netiquette to wrap at less than 80
colums, and most consider 72 idea. Please configure it to something
less than 80.
At some point hitherto,
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So, in trolling the various sources of job listings, it looks to me
like one of the hottest skills in demand is Java development. I was
wondering if anyone can recommend GOOD sources of information about
learning Java. Free ones (like web sites)
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