2.05a.0(1)-release
] = { command1 ; command2 ; command3 } ( tee -a $someLogFile ) 21
]
] This doesn't look legal. Period.
Heh. Like I said, it'll bake your noodle - that's
what got me to dig further. It is indeed a legal
construct, part of something the BASH docs call
'Process
pll@tater:~$ ls -l ( echo )
lr-x-- 1 pll pll 64 Jul 31 10:02 /dev/fd/63 - pipe:[5071]
pll@tater:~$ echo ( ls -l )
/dev/fd/63
Definitely not what I expected at all. Especially considering
pll@tater:~$ ls -l /dev/fd/
total 0
lrwx-- 1 pll pll 64 Jul 31 10:14 0 - /dev/pts/1
So anyone know when process substitution was introduced into bash?
I see it supported at least as far back a 1.14.6 and I suspect it's
been around much longer.
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Today I ran across this usage of the 'Process Substitution' trickery
supported by BASH:
{ command1 ; command2 ; command3 } ( tee -a $someLogFile ) 21
...and wondered how it differs from (or is preferable to) this:
{ command1 ; command2 ; command3 } | ( tee -a $someLogFile ) 21
I'm giving the FAI (Fully Automatic Installation)
package a test drive at Paul's suggestion and
wonder if anybody here has tried it. I'm hitting
some speedbumps that (I think) have something to
do with my attempts to use FAI's DHCP boot method
with the DHCP server from the dhcpd3 package.
I'm giving the FAI (Fully Automatic Installation)
package a test drive at Paul's suggestion and
wonder if anybody here has tried it. I'm hitting
some speedbumps that (I think) have something to
do with my attempts to use FAI's DHCP boot method
with the DHCP server from the dhcpd3 package.
.
So, if one request line is too busy, you might
get lucky by moving the card to a different slot...
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A coworker (working remotely) asked this of the
office staff this morning and we came up empty,
so maybe the GNHLUG can offer a clue:
I have been fighting with this all morning so I am
now looking to see if anyone has the answer. When I
logged in this A.M. my taskbar and pager in my panel
Problem apparently solved - thanks to all.
The user's (somewhat unclear) summary of the fix:
When you right click on the panel you can
navigate down to where you add applets.
These things are applets but the problem was I
was reading the RedHat manuals and they call
these applets
Do we really need to re-hash this *AGAIN*???
But the horse is still twitching! It's not quite dead yet! ;)
You're such losers - anybody can see that the
vi-versus-emacs flamewar is by FAR superior to
the Linux-distro one...
(Heh. I was just wondering if it's possible
for me to
I'm looking for an automated software installation
mechanism - I want to be able to deliver software
to my customers in such a way that they can install
it on multiple machines as painlessly as possible.
For example, one scheme I've heard of (but have been
unable to find at scyld.com or
Would yet another Outlook virus solve your problem here?
It'd be painless and automated, right? (-:
Heh. Now *that* is Market Penetration. (as in, bend over )
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Any sales guy who knows what you know about shell scripts impresses
me. I know *very senior* engineers who don't know this stuff.
GNHLUG is indeed graced with all kinds of talent - enough
to fully staff an enterprise, I'll bet. We missed a golden
opportunity by not having an IPO back
It seems to me that if you put a line like this in
your /etc/network/interfaces in the section associated
with your PPP connection you could sync your system
time whenever you brought the interface up:
up /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart || true
This does not address the issue of having that
I know of a person who's become available
recently - their expertise is languages
and they're particularly comfortable with
GCC friends. Please contact me if you
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In response to several points raised:
- Yes, all my NAT'd connections probably would
have been killed as a result of the ifdown/ifup
sequence, but they were dead already.
- When my firewall's eth0 connection became operational
again, it had the same IP addr as before.
- I am
Here's a sequence of events (or observations) for which I'd
love to hear an explanation, or even a plausible guess:
My firewall box was just running like it always
does. From a machine behind it, I started four or
five SSH sessions to a remote system (my employer)
and was busy
Folks, FYI: my GNHLUG dues are paid in full
and my subscription to this GNHLUG list is
therefore fully active and working perfectly.
That means that when somebody posts a message
to this list, I'll get a copy. That also means
that if that person CC's me directly when they
post that message, I
The way your headers are coming through now, a well-behaved mail
client will suggest replying directly to you. If you prefer to
not get any 'private' replies, you could always set your reply-to
to the list address...
Ah! Good advice. Done.
BTW, verification (which is involved with actually
identifying the truth of some matter - check the
etymology) is almost entirely unrelated to whether
some news outlet has decided to repeat some story.
Why don't we all just eat at the place in question?
Those who want to pursue the matter will
I don't know why Derek mentioned my email
address in the body of his message, or why
his message was (apparently) distributed via
the GNHLUG list. I do happen to be an ATT
customer but neither the IP address nor the
virus-laden transmissions in question are mine.
Sorry for the late response but I just
remembered that wireless outfit I mentioned
within the last several weeks (based in
Lawrence, I believe) could be a possibility
if you're close enough to their tower -
it's possible that they don't suck...
I've already forgotten their name but you
should
Does anybody know if it's possible to have a
DHCP config that positions a local representative
(server) on each of several isolated LAN
segments, and where each such representative
is really just a slave of (and relays traffic
between its local DHCP clients and) a centralized
master server that
Please mention the messages you're seeing. Do the
various drivers ID themselves on the console or in
a log file as they're starting up? Did you see the
appropriate driver announce itself?
The code in dev_ifsioc() in net/core/dev.c is what's
ultimately executed as part of the ioctl that's
You know, of course, that most debuggers allow you to catch reads
and writes to a certain memory location already, right?
Sure, but they usually do it by inserting an illegal instruction
at the beginning of each statement boundary ... hardware support
for debuggers would be hard to
Would you agree that this is not necessarily the case,
if you can add a general-purpose CPU that the OS
can allocate to that task, and doing so could have
no marginal cost?
Maybe in some very unusual cases (development?
proof-of-concept?) but in general if you've got
a system to which you can
I listen to 90.9 WBUR (NPR affiliate from BU -
excellent; consider supporting them) and 92.5 WXRV
from time to time using RealPlayer, which works
pretty well. RealPlayer can be launched by your
browser (I used to use NetScape and now use Mozilla)
or as a standalone app - it's quite
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It would be really nice if one could apply a set of procmail
recipes to an IMAP mail store. That is, rather than having the
MDA process each message as it comes in, have a program that,
given an IMAP mail server, reads each message in the inbox, runs
it through a procmail recipe file, and
If you can't get your system to work using
modules, please be informed that my skanky
old 33MHz-486 firewall box has an AHA1542
in it and when I've built kernels for that
machine I've always just made them statically
linked (I'm currently using a 2.4.18 kernel,
FYI) and they've always just
Never in my life have I ever seen a cat jump so high
from a sitting position. :-)
Heck, the situation you described has become so common
that those cables now come from the factory calibrated
for altitude; your friend must have been using Cat5...
You didn't really say much about your requirements but it's
possible that some PC/104 systems might meet your needs...
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FWIW, I've been running Debian for a couple of years
and running 2.4.18 since it became available, on a
number of different machines and with a number of
different Enet cards (including a 3c590, IIRC) and
can't recall having any problems. I've also never
heard that using an initrd is preferred
Yes, this is a pet peeve of mine. :-)
Is that anything like a hamster?
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In general, yes - if the physical drives corresponding
to (say) hda and hdb are identical (and even in
a number of cases where they aren't) you can boot
from hdb (or a partition thereof) after saying (the
equivalent of)
dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb
...and I'd recommend adding parameters like
Oh, one other thing...boot off a third drive. you don't want open files on
the drive you're copying from!
Yes, this is what I was afraid of. It sounds like there is no way to
safely mirror one drive to another without properly shutting down the
source filesystem.
When I've made a copy of
Copying a live drive will be faster if you do this in single user
mode with as few services running as possible. The more things
running, the longer it will take. Swap space also plays a part,
since you will be dd'ing the swap area which is always active
and changing.
Swap space will
Warren Mansur said:
Does anyone know how to detect where the output is going from within a
script? That is, I want my script behave differently if I do:
Are you asking for a way to detect whether the output is
going to a terminal versus a file? With bash you might say
help test and see if
I was able to load that page from work with
no trouble, using both Mozilla and wget, but
I couldn't load it from home.
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sudo is the most common do-as-root hack. Use with care.
FYI, allowing the date to be changed is not generally
regarded to be a Good Thing.
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He suggested that we chmod the *interface* device. AKA, eth1.
The interfaces to the network devices generally
exist in a different namespace than those of other
devices - they don't appear as nodes under /dev and,
even if they did, the privilege restrictions are
enforced (IIRC) using a
I believe I've heard that there's nothing remarkable
about this one. As always, the only way it can cause
you any harm is if you execute it while you have root
privileges, which is something most current users would
sort of have to go out of their way to do.
Linux is definitely not immune in
Does anyone out there have any experience with building/running
message boards? I was asked to find something that was Like the
Message Boards on AOL. This, of course, is difficult for me,
since I don't use AOL. However, the basic things that I think
I need are 1) Multiple views
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Wouldn't pretty much any of the available NNTP servers
satisfy those requirements? And FYI some of the
specified features (and misfeatures) are normally
managed by the client rather than the server.
Source: http://news.com.com/2100-1023-237194.html?legacy=cnet
Newsgroups are unruly and
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I suspect Mark would be amused
...is the site run by an ISP in the Lawrence/Lowell
area who offers direct wireless subscriptions if you
have line-of-sight visibility to their tower(s).
I haven't checked them out very thoroughly yet but it
sounds kinda cool - anybody know anything about them?
http://www.whizwireless.com/
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Sorry about these botches, folks. Maybe it was all
that funny-smelling smoke I inhaled while wandering
around in Amsterdam
Alien (http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/) should do the
trick. It claims to convert from RPM to Slackware .tgz, but
I've never actually done it. I _have_ successfully converted
from .deb to RPM using alien, so it at least occasionally works.
FYI, the layout of a .deb file is fairly
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This is a loss. The fact that we're not
closer to being ruled by our own version of
the Taliban is due in part to clear-eyed,
clear-voiced civilized beings such as he.
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This list is in good shape because GNHLUG members do
(generally) seem to respect each other. That respect
is (generally) manifested in the messages posted
here; they're (generally) on-topic, (generally)
free of pointless re-re-re-quotings, (generally)
uncluttered with irritations like HTML,
You acn specify to many of the utils like find and xargs
that they only consider a NULL to terminate a pathname.
Example:
find . -print0 | xargs --null ls -ladF
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Auburn, NH? Technological Big Boys or Girls? I haven't heard of _any_
hi-tech companies in Auburn. Has anyone else? Whoever pursues this,
please let the rest of us know the company.
Using my finely honed WWW search skills I've learned the
name of the company in question. Shall we discuss
I wrote:
...No? Dang. Oh, well, I'll tell you anyway:
http://www.spacedisk.com/
This is strange. I had just moments prior to posting that been able
to access
http://www.spacedisk.com/employment.htm
which appeared to correspond closely with the job posting in question.
But that
Gee, I wish their WWW site would go back online so I could
read further about how SpaceDisk is a company brings content
closer to the end-user; increases reliability;[...] ;-
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The following might work for you:
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pedantic
The filesystem is a tree-structured arrangement of
nodes, each of whose purpose is to provide access to
some system resource. Interior nodes typically (safe
to say always since they corresond to directories)
represent and provide access to collections of other nodes.
Leaf nodes
Sure, it isn't a Free solution, so it won't please the purists out
there, but I love it. IANAP (programmer), but it sounds right to me.
When I mentioned this to a coworker he said that
Microsoft charges $15k for the development kits
and the machines you develop on aren't the same
as the
Maybe most people really don't want a hint about the story's topic.
Possibly, but if your goal is to waste the *maximum*
amount of other people's time you'd probably get best
results by supplying intentionally misleading commentary
with the link. Otherwise, the URL string itself can
sometimes
Anybody here ever used GDB to manipulate
the Pentium's Debug registers under Linux
(or anywhere else)? I'd like to be able to
set breakpoints triggered by various kinds of
accesses to memory but after a quick overview
it looks like GDB support for this is a bit thin.
Basic GDB support for HW
Not long ago it was asked where RFCs
might be found online. I don't remember if
anybody mentioned http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/
but it seems to work well, just FYI...
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Anybody know why www.mail-archive.com isn't responding?
OK, never mind. I waited more than 24 hours before
mentioning this to give them time to fix it if it was
just a temporary thing, and only then mentioned it
on the GNHLUG list. It apparently came back online
as I was composing my message.
On my Debian system these were helpful:
apropos timezone
man tzsetup
cat /etc/timezone
cat /etc/default/rcS
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Are there Linux software packages available
to help with home construction/remodeling?
Having never used such software I'm not even
completely sure what I'm asking for, but I'd
think such a package would at least (and I'm
talking about something more than xfig) help
you lay out a floorplan.
New photos from the Hubble telescope. These are not
artists conception or computer-generated - except for
the colorization, these are what the Hubble is actually
seeing. Hard to feel important after viewing these...
http://hubble.cust.nearlyfreespeech.net/0211af.jpg
Hmmm, is the IP addr in question one of yours?
Address: 64.254.172.117 Name: anbst01.noc.speedtrak.net
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IMNSHO, this idiot *and* your manager should
both have been promptly fired for gross incompetance.
Huh? Tell us again, please, what they should have been fired for...
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Didn't Intel introduce their PSN (Processor Serial
Number) feature not too long ago and then withdraw
it because of the VERY loud complaints about loss of
privacy? I think they introduced it as a solution to
this very same problem: there's currently no reliable
way to uniquely ID a system.
As long as all of Warren's machines can be relied
upon to not try to subvert the system, it almost
doesn't matter how he comes up with his Globally
Unique ID (the MAC addr approach does seem the most
straightforward). On the other hand, if he does have
to worry about attempts to do MAC
I know a number of people up in the Wilton/Milford/Amherst
area who seem to be satisfied long-time customers of...
http://www.jlc.net/Services/Services.html
http://www.jlc.net/
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I've not used this, but one of my coworkers recommends
a package called Gnu MBR which masquerades as (looks
just like) the regular MBR but allows those who
know about it to select alternate boot partitions.
http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/mbr.html
In that case, he needs a bootable DOS floppy that has a DOS version
of fdisk on it, so he can boot into DOS and run 'fdisk /mbr'.
I'm fairly certain that the NT/2000/XP versions of fdisk won't do
the job, it needs to be from Win9x or DOS.
Does saying
fdisk /mbr
preserve the existing
Compile? Shouldn't the .deb have a binary in it that's usable as is
(assuming he can find a means of extracting it under Mandrake...)
There is a reason package managers complain about dependencies.
If the the Debian pre-built binary was built against significantly
different libraries, it
I'm going through my (approx) quarterly ritual
where I survey the laptop market. While comparing
features during various WWW searches I notice that
it seems only Dell and Sony have the UXGA screens -
is this correct?
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Dang it! I may coincidentally have just found a fairly profound
bash bug related to usage of that spew | while read idiom.
Here's what I do to cause bash to say Segmentation fault
cd /
find . -type f | while read f
do
ls -laFd $f
done
Collecting the list in a file first
Interesting:
find . -type f | while read f; do true $f ; done #Builtin - works
find . -type f | while read f; do /bin/true $f ; done #Chokes
...a memory leak somewhere in the fork() path?
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while true ; do /bin/true ; done
I think there's a bug here. Nothing happens, well, at least not so far... ;)
Well, we ARE getting pretty minimalistic here.
Of course, if it's true that
Every program has at least one bug.
...and
Every program can be reduced in
Ha! I haven't analyzed this yet (and might never) but running bash
under GDB (actually, I attached GDB to the child bash proc) yields:
Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted.
0x400497b1 in kill () from /lib/libc.so.6
(gdb) where
#0 0x400497b1 in kill () from /lib/libc.so.6
#1
I'm interpreting this as an out-of-memory error as
a result of too many file names filling up an array?
Is that an accurate interpretation of this trace?
Nope - this problem was detected (though not necessarily
caused) in the implementation of malloc()/free() that comes
with the bash
This is a classic example of why I prefer doing actual
script work in ksh and have my login shell as bash.
Aren't you just saying that you prefer to stick with a
familiar set of idiosyncracies for scripting purposes?
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DISKHOG=`echo 1234M /home/USER | sed -e 's;^.*/;;'`
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it has a subtle scoping gotcha that drove me nuts the
first time I tripped over it - anybody know what I'm
referring to?
No? Then how about this?
result=badness# init with failure default
spewSomeKindOfOutput | while read input
do
result=goodness
done
echo $result
Still on my quest to get my Sparc set up with linux, I'm trying
to find debian sparc isos. I can't seem to find 'em anywhere -
even for potato. I've been trying to play with building the isos
via jigdo, but that doesn't seem to be cutting it either.
Doesn't http://www.debian.org/CD/
...or how about
ftp://ftp.rutgers.edu/pub/debian-cd/2.2_rev6/sparc/
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I'm trying to create zipped (or unzipped for that matter) archives
and getting these errors, mostly while it's doing Windows .zip
files. If I break the directory down into smaller pieces, it
seems to go ok. Is there something that may have gotten set by
mistake to limit the size of a
Can anyone tell me why this is happening?
[tom@littlefear tom]$ date +%j -d 04/01/2002
091
[tom@littlefear tom]$ let due=`date +%j -d 04/01/2002` ; echo $due
bash: let: due=091: value too great for base (error token is 091)
100
[tom@littlefear tom]$ date +%j -d 01/31/2002
031
http://oss.mclinux.com/projects/crash/
Debian users can also obtain the latest crash
sources by saying
apt-get source crash
crash can provide interesting insights into a live
system but is only useful for post-mortem stuff if
you've figured out how to convince your kernel to
generate a
FWIW...
I've worked at so many places with so many screwed up
PATH definitions that I've basically just collected
(don't laugh!) all likely PATH components from
every place I've ever worked in a list. When I start
working somewhere new I first execute my pathPreen()
function (after suitably
I had asked someone at RH when they would have all the NFS
capabilities in there and they replied that it was already done.
If you look at the RH website for the specs on the RHAS offerings,
they ensure data integrity for databases, NFS, and CIFS (Samba).
That is pretty much all that
Just FYI, a passage from the info file that offers cold comfort:
Traditionally, old `tar's have a limit of 100 characters. GNU `tar'
attempted two different approaches to overcome this limit, using and
extending a format specified by a draft of some P1003.1. The first
way was not that
Not any new info, but kind of a cutesy clickey-GUI
summary of which flavor of RAID is which..
http://www.raid5.com/04_01_07.html
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Anyone know where to find RH's Advanced Server packages?
I'm looking for what was previously known as Convolo ;)
I *think* it's still in beta. The beta codename is pensacola, and
it should still live on the RH mirrors, in the /linux/beta directory.
I think I heard that Pensacola is
Thanks Kenny, but
bobthesnake:~# apt-get install libglui2 glutg3-dev glut-data libglui-dev
glutg3 glut-doc
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Sorry, libglui2 is already the newest version.
Sorry, glutg3-dev is already the newest version.
Sorry, glut-data is
It's not the ultimate solution (whatever
that would be) but you could try using
http://makeashorterlink.com/
...which allows you to submit some
monster-ugly URL and get a shorter one
as an alias. For example, they gave me
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N1E9239A
...as an alias for
Yep, awhile back all a friend of mine had was AOL
and wanted NAT in his house... I figured I'd bring
my box over and at least give it a shot. All it
took was a PPP connection to the AOL dial up and
I was good to go. This may have changed recently,
but it worked a couple of years ago.
The
XFree86 doesn't know about your monitor,
per-se; rather, it knows about your card.
I believe there is a means by which your monitor can
itself communicate its capabilities/attributes to
the system, some sort of low-bandwidth serial comms
via the standard video connection...?
[ I've been having some email troubles
and have (apparently) lost messages both
inbound and outbound, so apologies if this
is a repeat, but I never saw my first post. ]
This same tantalizing idea has intrigued me on and
off for years: a PeeCee with some cheap IDE drives
and a SCSI
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