Re: Console security (was: Humor: NT and security)

2002-02-18 Thread Paul Iadonisi
Okay, as requested -- after having a little fun anonymizing this email flameware from about six years ago, I've posted it at http://www.linuxlobbyist.org/rpdebate/ for a limited time. There may be traces of stuff I've missed in my sed script, but it should be enough to protect the innocent

Re: Console security (was: Humor: NT and security)

2002-02-18 Thread Paul Iadonisi
And attached is the cast of characters. On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 06:20:14PM -0500, Paul Iadonisi wrote: Okay, as requested -- after having a little fun anonymizing this email flameware from about six years ago, I've posted it at http://www.linuxlobbyist.org/rpdebate/ for a limited time.

Re: Console security (was: Humor: NT and security)

2002-02-18 Thread Derek D. Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Paul Iadonisi hath spake thusly: Okay, as requested -- after having a little fun anonymizing this email flameware from about six years ago, I've posted it at http://www.linuxlobbyist.org/rpdebate/ for a limited time.

Re: Console security (was: Humor: NT and security)

2002-02-18 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Paul Iadonisi wrote: Okay, as requested -- after having a little fun anonymizing this email flameware from about six years ago, I've posted it at http://www.linuxlobbyist.org/rpdebate/ for a limited time. There may be traces of stuff I've missed in my sed script, but

Re: Console security (was: Humor: NT and security)

2002-02-18 Thread Derek D. Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Benjamin Scott hath spake thusly: On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Paul Iadonisi wrote: But that's downright mild compared to the flamewar GNHLUG had over who should have root passwords. That was before mail-archive.com, though, so

Console security (was: Humor: NT and security)

2002-02-14 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Paul Iadonisi wrote: Seriously, and to diverge a bit from this thread, this does *not* however mean that console access implies lack of physical security. Not always, but typically, it does. o Login as a normal non-root user on the console of Red Hat 7.2 system with

Re: Console security (was: Humor: NT and security)

2002-02-14 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Paul Lussier wrote: As Derek and I have been heard to complain about many times, RH's biggest problem seems to be that they don't have any professional sysadmins working for them who have a clue about how things are done in large enterprise environments! :( While I

Re: Console security (was: Humor: NT and security)

2002-02-14 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:30:43 EST Benjamin Scott said: While I think you are generally right, in Red Hat's defense, even in large enterprise environments, your average desktop workstation can generally be shutdown by the user using it. Or do you encase all your workstations

Re: Console security (was: Humor: NT and security)

2002-02-14 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Paul Lussier wrote: While I think you are generally right, in Red Hat's defense, even in large enterprise environments, your average desktop workstation can generally be shutdown by the user using it. Well, short of hitting the power buttons, normal users couldn't

Re: Console security (was: Humor: NT and security)

2002-02-14 Thread Paul Iadonisi
On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 01:30:43PM -0500, Benjamin Scott wrote: On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Paul Lussier wrote: As Derek and I have been heard to complain about many times, RH's biggest problem seems to be that they don't have any professional sysadmins working for them who have a clue about how

Re: Console security (was: Humor: NT and security)

2002-02-14 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Paul Iadonisi wrote: Or do you encase all your workstations in safes under the floor like Paul Iadonisi does? ;-) Zing! I guess I had that coming. Heh. Don't get me wrong, I was more trying to give credit where it is due than imply you were being unreasonable. In

Re: Console security (was: Humor: NT and security)

2002-02-14 Thread Derek D. Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Benjamin Scott hath spake thusly: ... for a wild flamewar I started about root passwords. Hah! I think the longest flamewar in GNHLUG history was on that very subject. (With the possible exception of the GNU/Linux