Re: Throughput of DSL Internet

2002-02-19 Thread Ray Bowles
*** On Sun, 17 Feb 2002 at 12:17pm Paul Courchene shared this with the class:: I'm seeking volunteers with high-speed Internet access with ATT, RCN, Verizon, and other DSL providers who would be willing to record their actual Internet throughput and compare it to the speeds promised. I'm

Re: Throughput of DSL Internet

2002-02-18 Thread Jerry Feldman
The only reliable way is to measure it inside your network, but there are many good bandwidth measurement sites on the Internet http://www.dslreports.com/stest DSL reports also rates ISPs. http://home.cfl.rr.com/eaa/Bandwidth.htm These tests are not accurate for several reasons, but they can

Re: Throughput of DSL Internet

2002-02-18 Thread Marc Evans
Well, for the engineering types, there is a tool known as sting that can be used to characterize many interresting aspects of your transit link(s). http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/savage/sting/ This is far from point-and-click and not recommended for people that aren't comfortable

Re: Throughput of DSL Internet

2002-02-18 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Jack Hodgson wrote: But that doesn't mean there isn't a good reason to try and measure that service. True. So the (implied) original question: How DO we measure the speed of our connectivity? The only consistent measurement you can make is from your house to the

Re: Throughput of DSL Internet

2002-02-18 Thread Jerry Feldman
I'm not sure that is a good test either. DSL speeds should be consistent between the CO and your house, because you have a dedicated circuit. Broadband speeds can vary depending on traffic on your loop. Good broadband carriers limit the number of subscribers on a single area. (Mediaone used

Re: Throughput of DSL Internet

2002-02-18 Thread Derek D. Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Jerry Feldman hath spake thusly: I'm not sure that is a good test either. DSL speeds should be consistent between the CO and your house, because you have a dedicated circuit. Broadband speeds can vary depending on traffic

Re: Throughput of DSL Internet

2002-02-18 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Jerry Feldman wrote: Broadband speeds can vary depending on traffic on your loop. Good point. I was thinking in terms of DSL, which is point-to-point, from subscriber to CO. Cable Internet is a shared medium. There is no way to isolate one subscriber from everyone

Re: Throughput of DSL Internet

2002-02-18 Thread Bayard Coolidge USG
Derek D. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm much more concerned about whether my provider will be around next year. I don't expect ATT to disappear any time soon. Not nearly so sure about Covad and its resellers. Bear in mind that some of us wish we had a DSL to compare to... I gave up

Re: Throughput of DSL Internet

2002-02-18 Thread Jerry Feldman
I think the issue is what does the measurement mean, and what is the relevance. To a consumer, the speed of your connection to the ISP is irrelevant (except maybe when uploading web pages to their site or downloading email). To the consumer, it is the measurement of throughput to the

Re: Throughput of DSL Internet

2002-02-18 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Bayard Coolidge USG wrote: Bear in mind that some of us wish we had a DSL to compare to... And some of us wish we had something better than a modem which never connects at faster than 26 kilobit/sec :-/ -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in

Re: Throughput of DSL Internet

2002-02-18 Thread Rich C
- From: Bayard Coolidge USG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 2:05 PM Subject: Re: Throughput of DSL Internet Derek D. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm much more concerned about whether my provider will be around next year. I don't expect ATT

Throughput of DSL Internet

2002-02-17 Thread Paul Courchene
#ifdef casual Linux reference Bruce Mohl who writes the column Consumer Beat in the Boston Globe, ( [EMAIL PROTECTED]) said today: I'm seeking volunteers with high-speed Internet access with ATT, RCN, Verizon, and other DSL providers who would be willing to record their actual Internet

Re: Throughput of DSL Internet

2002-02-17 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Paul Courchene wrote: [Bruce Mohl is] seeking volunteers with high-speed Internet access with ATT, RCN, Verizon, and other DSL providers who would be willing to record their actual Internet throughput and compare it to the speeds promised. Heh. You have to realize

Re: Throughput of DSL Internet

2002-02-17 Thread Jack Hodgson
Benjamin Scott wrote: You have to realize something about Internet feeds. The bandwidth of the last hop link is but one of many factors involved. Ben, Good explanation of the situation, and I agree with your warning that we can really demand/expect very little (nothing?) from our residential

Re: Throughput of DSL Internet

2002-02-17 Thread Tom Buskey
You have to remember that with a cable modem, your neighbors will have an effect. Cable is more like a hub, DSL is more like a switch. I'm on a cable modem it seems my neighbors are light users. Also, the cable company redid the cable in my condo complex a few years ago when we had