Re: Bots don't honor 301 :(

2009-01-13 Thread Dan Jenkins
virgins...@vfemail.net wrote: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:46:26 -0500 From: "Ben Scott" dragonh...@gmail.com not to. There are orders of magnitude more bots then web servers. That's quite a claim. Do you have evidence for this? I can't say for the types of

Re: Bots don't honor 301 :(

2009-01-13 Thread David Berube
virgins...@vfemail.net wrote: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:46:26 -0500 From: Ben Scott dragonh...@gmail.com If you can show me crackbots that autonomously coordinate their attacks like [insert random potentially offensive analogy here], then there's a chance you may be right about this.

Re: For all you outspoken people....and some of you quiet ones...

2009-01-13 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Bayard, You were the first to reply, and I am going to send your reply to the rest of the group to show what I think a good reply should be, and how it can reflect on people and projects that others might not think about. People may or may not have thought about Jesse, but I think he is a good

Re: Python question

2009-01-13 Thread Paul Lussier
Thomas Charron twaf...@gmail.com writes: Example: strftime(HH:MM:SS , localtime()) '14:17:15' Ah, I see. So, if I do this: begin = time.time() [... long wait here ... ] end = time.time() time.strftime(%H:%M:%S, time.localtime(end - begin)) '19:16:07' so, the MM:SS are

Re: Thots on evolution vs t'bird.

2009-01-13 Thread Paul Lussier
Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org writes: Evolution supports IMAP, POP and local mail. It also supports multiple identities. pll Which is important for those of us who have these! fred Shhh, no we don't, you're not supposed to give away our secrets pll oh be quiet, it's not like they don't

Re: Python question

2009-01-13 Thread Shawn O'Shea
time.time() returns the number of seconds since the epoch, so end-start should be the number of seconds of execution. For example, given the following program timetest.py: import time start=time.time() time.sleep(5) end=time.time() print end-start The output should very close to 5 seconds

Re: Bots don't honor 301 :(

2009-01-13 Thread VirginSnow
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:27:27 -0500 From: David Berube djber...@berubeconsulting.com If you can show me crackbots that autonomously coordinate their attacks like [insert random potentially offensive analogy here], then there's a chance you may be right about this.

Re: Bots don't honor 301 :(

2009-01-13 Thread David Berube
virgins...@vfemail.net wrote: Unfortunately, whois isn't integrated, which makes it hard to automate abuse reporting. :( Unfortunately, automated abuse reporting lends itself to being abused by the very people it should, in theory, protect against. :( Take it easy, -- David Berube Berube

Re: Bots don't honor 301 :(

2009-01-13 Thread VirginSnow
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:18:31 -0500 From: Dan Jenkins d...@rastech.com CC: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org botnet (using the higher numbers) was accurate and, for sake of argument, 10 web sites are hosted on a server on average (purely out of thin air number I made up), there are

Re: Python question

2009-01-13 Thread Steven W. Orr
On Tuesday, Jan 13th 2009 at 11:39 -, quoth Shawn O'Shea: =time.time() returns the number of seconds since the epoch, so end-start =should be the number of seconds of execution. For example, given the =following program timetest.py: =import time = =start=time.time() = =time.sleep(5) =

Re: Thots on evolution vs t'bird.

2009-01-13 Thread Brian Chabot
Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org writes: Evolution supports IMAP, POP and local mail. It also supports multiple identities. I somehow missed the beginning of this thread but... Thunderbird also supports multiple identities, IMAP, and POP as well as GMail natively. Enigmail makes PGP/GPG

Re: Thots on evolution vs t'bird.

2009-01-13 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 2009-01-11 1:02 PM, Steven W. Orr wrote: * What do people like better (or best)? If you're going to run Thunderbird, I think the occasional stability issues of the current beta are worth it for the increased usability. Kudos to the Penelope (nee Eudora) engineer who's hacking madly though

Re: Python question

2009-01-13 Thread Thomas Charron
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:45 PM, John Abreau j...@gapps.blu.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Paul Lussier p.luss...@comcast.net wrote: Thomas Charron twaf...@gmail.com writes: Example: strftime(HH:MM:SS , localtime()) '14:17:15' Ah, I see. So, if I do this: begin =

Re: Python question

2009-01-13 Thread Paul Lussier
Steven W. Orr ste...@syslang.net writes: Guys, don't use time! Use the datetime interface I previously described. That's what it was made for. :-) #! /usr/bin/python import datetime import time then = datetime.datetime.now() print then = , then time.sleep(5) now =

Re: Python question

2009-01-13 Thread Paul Lussier
John Abreau j...@gapps.blu.org writes: Um, that's completely meaningless -- end - begin is not a clock value, it's the number of seconds that long wait here took. Since it's not a clock value, it makes no sense to use it as a parameter to time.localtime(). I understand that. Which is why I

Re: compiling gcc q's

2009-01-13 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 01/12/2009 11:31 AM, Mark Komarinski wrote: bruce.lab...@autoliv.com wrote: /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/local/lib/libmpfr.so when searching for -lmfpr . . . /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/local/lib/libgmp.a when searching for -lgmp Yes, it says it is incompatible.

Re: Thots on evolution vs t'bird.

2009-01-13 Thread Paul Lussier
So, Is it possible to use an external editor with Tbird? Is something like It's All Text for Firefox also available for thunderbird ? I couldn't find it on the Thunderbird page. I want to click on reply and have the text sent to emacs via emacsclient Thanks, -- Seeya, Paul

Re: For all you outspoken people....and some of you quiet ones...

2009-01-13 Thread Paul Lussier
Arc Riley arcri...@gmail.com writes: - Best Open Source Programming Language Python 3, released this Fall it makes programming even more intuitive and easy to learn Did they get rid of that silly whitespace rule? -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-discuss

Re: Thots on evolution vs t'bird.

2009-01-13 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Enigmail makes PGP/GPG encryption simple (including key management). Evolution allows PGP/GPG signing and encryption, as well as S/MIME signing and encryption for outgoing email. Incoming email just works. I haven't used Evolution in a while, but last time I did, I was turned off by the close

Re: Bots don't honor 301 :(

2009-01-13 Thread Tom Buskey
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:00 PM, virgins...@vfemail.net wrote: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:18:31 -0500 From: Dan Jenkins d...@rastech.com CC: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org botnet (using the higher numbers) was accurate and, for sake of argument, 10 web sites are hosted on a server on

Re: For all you outspoken people....and some of you quiet ones...

2009-01-13 Thread Tom Buskey
Forwarded Message From: Bayard Coolidge n...@yahoo.com Reply-to: n...@yahoo.com To: mad...@li.org Subject: Re: For all you outspoken peopleand some of you quiet ones... Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 07:02:39 -0800 (PST) Most Outstanding Contribution to Open Source /

Re: Thots on evolution vs t'bird.

2009-01-13 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 2009-01-13 3:44 PM, Paul Lussier wrote: d? Is something like It's All Text for Firefox also available for thunderbird ? I couldn't find it on the Thunderbird page. This might work (untested): http://globs.org/articles.php?lng=enpg=2 -Bill -- Bill McGonigle, Owner Work:

Re: Thots on evolution vs t'bird.

2009-01-13 Thread Tom Buskey
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote: Well, I must admit I still like the old exmh mailer, but more and more Evolution works for me. I guess if I did not use software just because it has a close resemblance to software generated by the Evil Empire then I

pseudo-terminal masters

2009-01-13 Thread Bill McGonigle
Hi, all, Anybody familiar with the pseudoterminal setup on linux? I've got some scripts which look for idle time on connections. They're currently using the output of 'w' which I see now is really just reporting the last modified date of /dev/pts/x, so I can throw out the 'w' parsing.

Re: pseudo-terminal masters

2009-01-13 Thread mark
Isn't this what the TMOUT shell variable is doing? In which case you could look at the code in bash or ksh to see if that mechanism is available for your script or as a wrapper. --- mark On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Bill McGonigle b...@bfccomputing.comwrote: Hi, all, Anybody familiar

Re: pseudo-terminal masters

2009-01-13 Thread Bruce Dawson
You can look at the modification date/time of (for example) /dev/pts/9 if you want to know when the last activity occurred. --Bruce Bill McGonigle wrote: Hi, all, Anybody familiar with the pseudoterminal setup on linux? I've got some scripts which look for idle time on connections. They're

Re: Thots on evolution vs t'bird.

2009-01-13 Thread Bruce Dawson
I quit using Evolution and switched to Thunderbird when Evolution took more than 28 hours to rifle though my (more than) 1024 .mbox files. Thunderbird did it within 1 minute - and I got to watch as is progressed through them. I don't know why Evolution was taking so long; they were both going

Re: Thots on evolution vs t'bird.

2009-01-13 Thread Alex Hewitt
Bruce Dawson wrote: I quit using Evolution and switched to Thunderbird when Evolution took more than 28 hours to rifle though my (more than) 1024 .mbox files. Thunderbird did it within 1 minute - and I got to watch as is progressed through them. I don't know why Evolution was taking so long;

Re: Thots on evolution vs t'bird.

2009-01-13 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
I must admit I never used Evolution with IMAP. While I appreciate the benefits of IMAP, I mostly read email from my laptop, and therefore have my email with me almost everywhere I go. I do know that recent versions of Evolution now keep their data through SQLite. Whether that would be faster or

Re: Thots on evolution vs t'bird.

2009-01-13 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
I threw Evolution under the bus when for some odd reason it started filtering most of my incoming email messages sticking them into it's junk folder. You can easily turn off the filtering completely. At about the same time Evolution seemed to lose track of messages it had already downloaded

Re: Thots on evolution vs t'bird.

2009-01-13 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 2009-01-13 5:36 PM, Alex Hewitt wrote: I threw Evolution under the bus when for some odd reason it started filtering most of my incoming email messages sticking them into it's junk folder. FWIW, I have the same problem with Thunderbird, so I do all my spam filtering server-side

Re: Python question

2009-01-13 Thread Steven W. Orr
On Tuesday, Jan 13th 2009 at 14:44 -, quoth Thomas Charron: =On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:45 PM, John Abreau j...@gapps.blu.org wrote: = On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Paul Lussier p.luss...@comcast.net wrote: = Thomas Charron twaf...@gmail.com writes: = Example: = strftime(HH:MM:SS ,

Re: Thots on evolution vs t'bird.

2009-01-13 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote: What I don't like about it is that it does not use the directories of email messages, each message being in a different file like exmh does, so I can not go grepping through my email. Doesn't grep -r work? I know I've

Re: Bots don't honor 301 :(

2009-01-13 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:00 PM, virgins...@vfemail.net wrote: Assuming the bot is deterministic, hosts are likely to be scanned in the same order by every copy of the bot. And assuming the bot only ever scans one host, we only have to shut off that one host and the problem is solved for

Re: pseudo-terminal masters

2009-01-13 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:02 PM, mark prg...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't this what the TMOUT shell variable is doing? Pure speculation, but I would guess that the TMOUT variable is implemented just by having the shell call alarm(2) and then catching SIGALRM. Otherwise the shell would have to poll

Re: Thots on evolution vs t'bird.

2009-01-13 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
FWIW, I have the same problem with Thunderbird, so I do all my spam filtering server-side (MailScanner). Most frustrating about this is that even though there's a way to tell it to trust server-side headers, there's not way to turn off the local

Re: Thots on evolution vs t'bird.

2009-01-13 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Doesn't grep -r work? I know I've used it to grep though my hierarchical collection of many mbox files in the past. Evolution keeps its mail in something that looks somewhat like an mbox file, but it is mixed in with cache files, etc. Let's just say it is not as easy to grep through it as it

Re: Bots don't honor 301 :(

2009-01-13 Thread Dan Jenkins
virgins...@vfemail.net wrote: Yes, but the number of compromised hosts isn't critical - it's the number of unique scan queues which is important to evading tarpits. If a botnet has 50,000,000 nodes, is vulnerable to tarpitting, and scans every IP address on the Internet in exactly the same

Re: pseudo-terminal masters

2009-01-13 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 2009-01-13 10:36 PM, Ben Scott wrote: Pure speculation, but I would guess that the TMOUT variable is implemented just by having the shell call alarm(2) and then catching SIGALRM. Otherwise the shell would have to poll its own input channel constantly to see if it was idle, which would