TiddlyWiki
On Jan 30, 2008 9:36 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 30, 2008 9:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why not implement the entire app in JavaScript?
Uh... RTFT. ;-) Alex wants to have data persistence over browser
sessions, and not have to worry about hosting the
On Jan 31, 2008 8:24 AM, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TiddlyWiki
Which requires endlessly clicking Allow to save changes (at least
five times just now -- I gave up after that), or remembering the
decision to turn off the JavaScript sandbox for all local HTML files
(a security risk, and
On Jan 31, 2008 10:58 AM, Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IIRC, Firefox complained the first couple of times but then offered an
allow for this file option.
The box I got had buttons for Allow or Deny, a Remember this
decision checkbox. But it said it was for anything file:///, which
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 09:32 -0500, Ben Scott wrote:
On Jan 31, 2008 8:24 AM, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TiddlyWiki
Which requires endlessly clicking Allow to save changes (at least
five times just now -- I gave up after that), or remembering the
decision to turn off the
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 09:32 -0500, Ben Scott wrote:
On Jan 31, 2008 8:24 AM, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TiddlyWiki
Which requires endlessly clicking Allow to save changes (at least
five times just now -- I gave up after that), or remembering the
decision to turn off the
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:36:34 -0500
From: Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Jan 30, 2008 9:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why not implement the entire app in JavaScript?
Uh... RTFT. ;-) Alex wants to have data persistence over browser
sessions, and not have to worry about hosting
On Jan 30, 2008, at 09:24, Alex Hewitt wrote:
I don't want a potential user of
the program to install anything beyond downloading the program itself.
[big long idea snipped, since I actually Googled for it:]
http://cse-mjmcl.cse.bris.ac.uk/blog/2006/10/30/1162236580795.html
Of course,
On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 21:52 -0500, Ben Scott wrote:
On Jan 29, 2008 12:12 AM, H. K. Bemis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am I missing why a db is out of the question?
It sounds like Alex is intending to distribute a self-hosted package
which runs entirely on the user's computer. HTTP might
From: Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:24:10 -0500
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 21:52 -0500, Ben Scott wrote:
On Jan 29, 2008 12:12 AM, H. K. Bemis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am I missing why a db is out of the question?
It sounds like Alex
On Jan 30, 2008 9:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why not implement the entire app in JavaScript?
Uh... RTFT. ;-) Alex wants to have data persistence over browser
sessions, and not have to worry about hosting the data. And the
JavaScript sandbox, by design, prevents you from writing to the
On Jan 29, 2008 12:12 AM, H. K. Bemis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am I missing why a db is out of the question?
It sounds like Alex is intending to distribute a self-hosted package
which runs entirely on the user's computer. HTTP might not even be
involved. So despite the use of a web browser,
Scenario: Need a web application which collects user data that needs to
be stored on the user's local hard disk. Which tools can do this?
I know that web site based applications are usually prevented from
writing to the user's local hard disk but I would prefer that any user
data be kept local to
Alex Hewitt writes:
Scenario: Need a web application which collects user data that needs to
be stored on the user's local hard disk. Which tools can do this?
I know that web site based applications are usually prevented from
writing to the user's local hard disk but I would prefer that
On Jan 28, 2008 10:57 AM, Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Scenario: Need a web application which collects user data that needs to
be stored on the user's local hard disk. Which tools can do this?
I know that web site based applications are usually prevented from
writing to the user's
On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 10:57 -0500, Alex Hewitt wrote:
Scenario: Need a web application which collects user data that needs to
be stored on the user's local hard disk. Which tools can do this?
cookies
macromedia-flash local storage (no experience using it)
explicit download/upload
You probably
On Jan 28, 2008, at 10:57 AM, Alex Hewitt wrote:
Need a web application which collects user data that needs to
be stored on the user's local hard disk.
Define 'data'.
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On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 13:19 -0500, Alex Hewitt wrote:
The program is just a program that keeps track of diet data. So the
person would be recording their weight and the date it was taken. As
such it really doesn't need anything as complicated as a database. A
simple text file would do. The
On Jan 28, 2008 10:57 AM, Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't want to be responsible for the user's data ...
The problem with that approach is, in most cases, you *are* going to
be held responsible for the user's data. Even if you store it in
cookies and/or make the user click Save
Alex Hewitt wrote:
Scenario: Need a web application which collects user data that needs to
be stored on the user's local hard disk. Which tools can do this?
Google Gears: http://code.google.com/apis/gears/
Signed Java applets
Probably Adobe AIR and MS Silverlight
Lots of examples here:
From: Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:57:32 -0500
Scenario: Need a web application which collects user data that needs to
be stored on the user's local hard disk. Which tools can do this?
Ideas?
Back in the Netscape days, I wrote a POP3 client in JavaScript. It
On Jan 28, 2008 5:05 PM, Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If I take the TiddlyWiki approach, the data will be on their system in
the form of a web page which they will be modifying. Under those
circumstances they own the whole enchilada.
That doesn't matter; it will still be your fault.
On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 17:23 -0500, Ben Scott wrote:
On Jan 28, 2008 5:05 PM, Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If I take the TiddlyWiki approach, the data will be on their system in
the form of a web page which they will be modifying. Under those
circumstances they own the whole
On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 17:23 -0500, Ben Scott wrote:
On Jan 28, 2008 5:05 PM, Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If I take the TiddlyWiki approach, the data will be on their system in
the form of a web page which they will be modifying. Under those
circumstances they own the whole
In general, any web application should never depend on the user to do
the right thing. Ever.
A DB might be more then you'd like, but it would offer greater
performance then a flat file. If you didn't want to use something like
MySQL you could use something like SQLite. I've used both PHP and
On Jan 28, 2008 5:49 PM, Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That way people can't go after him because he told them to do something
and they got hurt because they took him seriously. Maybe we need to do
something along those lines with software.
It's not an issue of legal liability, but of
Of course, there's always the option of writing a, for example: perl
application that uses the httpd module, simulating a single-use web
server. And then accessing it via a browser.
--Bruce
Ben Scott wrote:
On Jan 28, 2008 10:57 AM, Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't want to be
On Jan 28, 2008, at 18:59, Ben Scott wrote:
People have unrealistic expectations of computers.
Ben's right - people expect free sites to be as reliable as Amazon or
Google. I recently had to explain to a small company that they were
looking for more uptime than Apple has, and did they
On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 16:04 -0500, Ben Scott wrote:
On Jan 28, 2008 10:57 AM, Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't want to be responsible for the user's data ...
The problem with that approach is, in most cases, you *are* going to
be held responsible for the user's data. Even if
Do many of the readers work with the public and their computers?
I happen to. In my experience, the majority of computer users are
CLUELESS when it comes to anything more then surfing the web, and many
of them can't seem to do that without getting in trouble. If you start
asking them to backup
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