Re: Why Linksys routers are so cheap...

2009-09-23 Thread Tom Buskey
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Bill McGonigle b...@bfccomputing.comwrote: On 09/22/2009 09:27 PM, Drew Van Zandt wrote: I would much appreciate a report on its VLAN support, actually. They mention Link Aggregation and trunking. I have a 16 port version that does this and also calls it

Re: Why Linksys routers are so cheap...

2009-09-23 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Bill McGonigle writes: You can number and name VLAN's. The range is 1-4092, but I read only 64 simultaneous are available. Yes, this is because each VLAN on the switch is modeled as being its own seperate instantation of a bridge, and each instance takes up system resources. [...] There's

Why Linksys routers are so cheap...

2009-09-22 Thread Hewitt_Tech
I would have said inexpensive but that would imply that their gear actually delivered value. I have a client who chose to use a pair of BEFSX41 VPN end point 4 port routers. A few years back I got a call from them to help them set up a VPN tunnel between two sites. After an hour or so of

Re: Why Linksys routers are so cheap...

2009-09-22 Thread Hewitt_Tech
Jefferson Kirkland wrote: On that recommendation, is it not ironic then that Linksys is owned by Cisco? You would think they would take a product that they bought out and improve it considering their name is on it. Regards, Jeff On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Hewitt_Tech

Re: Why Linksys routers are so cheap...

2009-09-22 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Hewitt_Tech hewitt_t...@comcast.net wrote: P.S. I think the above advice just echoes the same message on this list several times in the last couple of years. ;^) Indeed. Most consumer gear like LinkSys, D-Link, Belkin, NetGear et. al., is cheaply designed,

Re: Why Linksys routers are so cheap...

2009-09-22 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 09/22/2009 09:24 AM, Hewitt_Tech wrote: That's true. I thought of that as I made the recommendation for more competently designed/built equipment. Cisco does own Linksys. I would say that back when Linksys was a standalone company they did a much better job supporting their gear but that

Re: Why Linksys routers are so cheap...

2009-09-22 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 09/22/2009 09:34 AM, Ben Scott wrote: Most consumer gear like LinkSys, D-Link, Belkin, NetGear et. al., is cheaply designed, even more cheaply manufactured, and supported not-at-all. That's why you can get a router for a buck. :) YMMV, I guess. I had dealt with LinkSys support well

Re: Why Linksys routers are so cheap...

2009-09-22 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 09/22/2009 08:53 AM, Hewitt_Tech wrote: Bottom line - if it's commercial use in any way buy something better (Sonicwall, Cisco, Netscreen...) and stay well clear of Linksys. Since we're on this list, it's worth noting that your options aren't only cheap proprietary gear and expensive

Re: Why Linksys routers are so cheap...

2009-09-22 Thread Tom Buskey
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Bill McGonigle b...@bfccomputing.comwrote: On 09/22/2009 08:53 AM, Hewitt_Tech wrote: Bottom line - if it's commercial use in any way buy something better (Sonicwall, Cisco, Netscreen...) and stay well clear of Linksys. Since we're on this list, it's worth

Re: Why Linksys routers are so cheap...

2009-09-22 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Bill McGonigle b...@bfccomputing.com wrote: I regularly sell clients quality embedded open hardware for firewalls/routers in the sub-$500 range ... Is there any particular manufacture or model you'd like to recommend? :) -- Ben

Re: Why Linksys routers are so cheap...

2009-09-22 Thread Jerry Feldman
While we are on the subject. I am currently re-evaluating our Internet connectivity at work. We currently get our connectivity through Regus Business Centers directly. I'm looking at the savings we might get by bringing in RCN (who has cables not only in our building, but also on our floor). Most

Re: Why Linksys routers are so cheap...

2009-09-22 Thread Alex Hewitt
Ben Scott wrote: On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Hewitt_Tech hewitt_t...@comcast.net wrote: P.S. I think the above advice just echoes the same message on this list several times in the last couple of years. ;^) Indeed. Most consumer gear like LinkSys, D-Link, Belkin, NetGear

Re: Why Linksys routers are so cheap...

2009-09-22 Thread Gerry Hull
Wow. I've been on this list for a about a year now, and am always impressed by the knowledge of this group. However, I simply cannot understand why you guys have to bash consumer products so much. I have a completely opposite opinion of Linksys routers. They serve a market. They ARE cheap

Re: Why Linksys routers are so cheap...

2009-09-22 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 09/22/2009 02:04 PM, Ben Scott wrote: Is there any particular manufacture or model you'd like to recommend? Why, the BFC Computing firewall/router platform, of course. :) Actually, I'm currently evaluating a switch from Via C7 to Atom. The C7 is getting a bit dated. I discarded one

Re: Why Linksys routers are so cheap...

2009-09-22 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 09/22/2009 08:50 PM, Gerry Hull wrote: I have a completely opposite opinion of Linksys routers. Just to clarify, it sounds like you have a completely opposite opinion of WRT54GL's. I'd second your opinion of that particular model. It's always been particularly robust, but recall that we

Re: Why Linksys routers are so cheap...

2009-09-22 Thread Drew Van Zandt
I would much appreciate a report on its VLAN support, actually. --DTVZ On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Bill McGonigle b...@bfccomputing.comwrote: On 09/22/2009 08:50 PM, Gerry Hull wrote: I have a completely opposite opinion of Linksys routers. Just to clarify, it sounds like you have a

Re: Why Linksys routers are so cheap...

2009-09-22 Thread Gerry Hull
You are correct, Bill. I only buy WRT54GLs, which are still available widely on the net for about $50-$60. Thanks for the heads-up on the GS108T. I might be in the market. Gerry On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Bill McGonigle b...@bfccomputing.com wrote: On 09/22/2009 08:50 PM, Gerry Hull

Re: Why Linksys routers are so cheap...

2009-09-22 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Bill McGonigle b...@bfccomputing.com wrote:   Is there any particular manufacture or model you'd like to recommend? Why, the BFC Computing firewall/router platform, of course. :) What's the P/N for that on NewEgg? ;-) -- Ben

Re: Why Linksys routers are so cheap...

2009-09-22 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 09/22/2009 09:27 PM, Drew Van Zandt wrote: I would much appreciate a report on its VLAN support, actually. So, just looking at the menus: you get to chose 802.1q or 'port-based' VLAN's. They seem to be mutually exclusive. I chose 802.1q. You can number and name VLAN's. The range is