Firefox accessiblity

2006-07-24 Thread Manish Sapariya
Hi all, I am not sure whether I should be writing to this list of firefox/mozilla list. If this is not appropriate forum kindly let me know. I am trying to automate firefox using at-spi/dogtail. However, when I traverse the tree for Gecko app, it just gives me access to main application and the

Re: Firefox accessiblity

2006-07-24 Thread Bill Haneman
Manish: Please check the recent list archives for info on firefox work. There is also a mozilla accessibility development mailing list, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's a quotation from a recent email thread on Firefox accessibility: Yes. Firefox 1.5 or 2.0 will work better if you set GTK_MODULES

Re: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Henrik Nilsen Omma
Petra Ritter wrote: Hello, My suggestion is to turn on the accessibility Technology by default and to have accesskeys to start Gnopernicus or what ever program they use for persons with motor difficulties. I assuming that the for 'Lesser visual impairment' there use just another theme to

Re: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Henrik Nilsen Omma
Bill Haneman wrote: Hi Petra: In the most recent versions of Gnome, assistive technology support is on by default. The access keys idea is a reasonable one, and I think it would greatly improve the Ubuntu accessibility experience for screen reader and onscreen keyboard users. Agreed. For

Re: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Bill Haneman
On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 11:21, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: Bill Haneman wrote: Hi Petra: In the most recent versions of Gnome, assistive technology support is on by default. The access keys idea is a reasonable one, and I think it would greatly improve the Ubuntu accessibility experience

Re: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Bill Haneman
On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 11:58, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: Bill Haneman wrote: The new onscreen keyboard does not meet the needs of many mobility-impaired users. GOK should be bundled with the LiveCD - once some configuration issues are dealt with. Do you have any specific use cases

Re: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Bill Haneman
On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 12:41, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: Our plan is to go ahead with the new technology and deal with the problems as they arise. If by this you mean that you will ship SOK in preference to GOK in Ubuntu, I think you are making a mistake. Bill

Re: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Henrik Nilsen Omma
Bill Haneman wrote: On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 12:41, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: Our plan is to go ahead with the new technology and deal with the problems as they arise. If by this you mean that you will ship SOK in preference to GOK in Ubuntu, I think you are making a mistake.

Re: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Bill Haneman
On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 13:42, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: Bill Haneman wrote: On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 12:41, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: Our plan is to go ahead with the new technology and deal with the problems as they arise. If by this you mean that you will ship SOK in

Re: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Carlos Eduardo Rodrigues DiĆ³genes
On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 11:58 +0100, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: [snip] Henrik - Carlos Diogenes is working on adding Composite to gnome-mag, which would make it work as a drop-in enhancement. You probably should ping him about this, it makes little sense to duplicate work. Great, I

Re: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Chris Jones
Regarding this pointer grabbing Bill keeps mentioning. I've come across it once in the sok settings dialog where the listbox grabs the pointer and then stops the release click on SOK from being detected. Oddly I got round this by running the settings dialog as a separate process. Maybe this

Re: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Bill Haneman
On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 15:10, Chris Jones wrote: ... It is possible to detect when pointer grabbing occurs so work arounds are quite possible I should think. Not as far as I can tell. X just doesn't allow it. Since GOK can not be configured to work out of the box there seems little point

Re: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Henrik Nilsen Omma
Bill Haneman wrote: Making GOK's function keys appear in a separate keyboard would not be difficult, nor would making GOK's window a fixed size. Cool, let's make it an easy-to select option. However a fixed size window will limit the options you can present to a user when using GOK's

Re: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Chris Jones
It is a pity I was not aware of Xevie earlier in the project. It may have caused me to change my mind if I knew there was light at the end of the tunnel on the core pointer issue. I understand completely why the dialog boxes are there and why they are necessary. They are symptoms of the actual

Re: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Chris Jones
It is a pity I was not aware of Xevie earlier in the project. It may have caused me to change my mind if I knew there was light at the end of the tunnel on the core pointer issue. I understand completely why the dialog boxes are there and why they are necessary. They are symptoms of the actual

Re: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Henrik Nilsen Omma
Bill Haneman wrote: In the beginning we tried to give guidance, but I got the distinct impression that it was going to /dev/null.This is why I am frustrated - lots of behind-the-scenes vague griping, without GOK bugs and seemingly without a willingness to engage cooperatively to improve

Re: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Bill Haneman
Hi Chris: I think there have been misunderstandings of various sorts, probably on both sides. I don't recall ever refusing to fix any corepointer issues, for instance - at the time you asked, there were multiple research efforts under way to try and address them. I think you should understand

Re: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 02:00:19PM +0100, Bill Haneman wrote: GOK can use tablet PCs as well, with proper configuration. #319735 makes GOK effectively unusable on tablet PCs. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing

Re: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 04:09:53PM +0100, Bill Haneman wrote: Not if the tablet PC includes a 'null' mouse driver, so that GOK can disconnect the existing core pointer and access it via XInput only. There are other ways that tablet PCs could be configured to work with GOK, but they might

Re: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Chris Jones
Bill Haneman said: I don't recall ever refusing to fix any corepointer issues, for instance - at the time you asked, there were multiple research efforts under way to try and address them. Maybe I put that too strongly. You stated that the fix was to have a second input device and were unwilling

Fwd: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Chris Jones
Bill Haneman said: I don't recall ever refusing to fix any corepointer issues, for instance - at the time you asked, there were multiple research efforts under way to try and address them. Maybe I put that too strongly. You stated that the fix was to have a second input device and were unwilling

Re: Fwd: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Bill Haneman
On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 16:38, Chris Jones wrote: Bill Haneman said: I don't recall ever refusing to fix any corepointer issues, for instance - at the time you asked, there were multiple research efforts under way to try and address them. Maybe I put that too strongly. You stated that the

Re: Fwd: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Chris Jones
On 24/07/06, Bill Haneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My concern here is for GOK users who, without GOK, are unable to use the system at all. In that respect, for this class of GOK user GOK is indeed arguably the most important thing running on that machine. I agree that SOK does not currently

Re: accessebility suggestion for Ubuntu 6.06 LiveCD

2006-07-24 Thread Petra Ritter
hello Bill Haneman, Bill Haneman wrote: I'd be interested to know what your primary complaints with gnopernicus magnification are. It is possible to configure a system for fullscreen magnification using gnopernicus, and although the results aren't as snappy for mouse use as some commercial