Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2011-01-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2011-01-02 at 08:50 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote: For expose, I'm sorry that you don't like, but before we remove the feature or make it optional, we need to understand why you feel it is wrong. The problem with expose is that it moves your windows around and resizes them, many

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2011-01-03 Thread Filip Štědronský
Dne 3.1.2011 12:21:54 napsal Adam Williamson: No, I have no data, but I rather suspect a lot of users don't actually open enough windows at once - and, particularly, enough *small* windows which you can sensibly arrange in non-overlapping fashion on a typical monitor - to benefit from

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2011-01-03 Thread Nex6
On 1/1/2011 6:55 AM, Giovanni Campagna wrote: Il giorno ven, 31/12/2010 alle 01.42 -0800, Nex6 ha scritto: On 12/29/2010 02:50 PM, Giovanni Campagna wrote: Il giorno mer, 29/12/2010 alle 14.17 -0800, Nex6 ha scritto: hi all, Current (2.91.4 / git master) gnome-shell experience is very

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2011-01-03 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Bojan Smojver bo...@rexursive.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 15:37 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote: What make you think that we are exclusively focused on workspaces? Our expectation is really that a lot of users will never use them. More people are aware of

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2011-01-03 Thread Bojan Smojver
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 17:38 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote: There are going to be improvements for switching between workspaces (see http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/), but current plans are to keep things a two-level thing - switch workspaces than switch windows. If I understand things correctly (and

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2011-01-03 Thread Owen Taylor
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 09:46 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 17:38 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote: There are going to be improvements for switching between workspaces (see http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/), but current plans are to keep things a two-level thing - switch workspaces

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2011-01-03 Thread Bojan Smojver
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 17:52 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote: When you go to the overview in Git master, you see all the windows of the current workspace spread out before you and no windows of other workspaces. Which is a problem in itself. No visibility. You can switch workspaces: - by

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2011-01-03 Thread Bojan Smojver
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 23:06 +, Adam Williamson wrote: I'm not sure to what extent you can expect people to make this leap. So, what you're saying is that people understand that they can have multiple home screens (which are completely not static - they in fact all have apps of one kind or

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2011-01-03 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Bojan Smojver bo...@rexursive.com wrote: So, extending this metaphor to the desktop is a no-brainer. Give users credit - vast majority of them already to this stuff every day. I was sitting in a restaurant and overheard two middle aged women somewhere in

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2011-01-03 Thread Allan E. Registos
...@rexursive.com Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2011 6:38:03 AM Subject: Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 08:32 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 15:37 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote: If you *don't* want your windows moved around when

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2011-01-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 10:17 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 23:06 +, Adam Williamson wrote: I'm not sure to what extent you can expect people to make this leap. So, what you're saying is that people understand that they can have multiple home screens (which are

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2011-01-03 Thread Bojan Smojver
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 02:17 +, Adam Williamson wrote: The vast majority of people do not use smartphones. Seriously? Come on, kids in primary school have iPod Touch and even iPhones these days. -- Bojan ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2011-01-03 Thread Bojan Smojver
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 06:13 +0100, Onyeibo Oku wrote: That does not represent a vast majority. Don't limit the word 'people' to one geographical location. It is estimated that by 2013 about 1.1 billion smartphones will be sold. If that's not majority enough for you, then I don't know what

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2011-01-02 Thread Allan E. Registos
On Sun, 2011-01-02 at 08:50 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote: For expose, I'm sorry that you don't like, but before we remove the feature or make it optional, we need to understand why you feel it is wrong. The problem with expose is that it moves your windows around and resizes them, many

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2011-01-01 Thread Giovanni Campagna
Il giorno ven, 31/12/2010 alle 01.42 -0800, Nex6 ha scritto: On 12/29/2010 02:50 PM, Giovanni Campagna wrote: Il giorno mer, 29/12/2010 alle 14.17 -0800, Nex6 ha scritto: hi all, Current (2.91.4 / git master) gnome-shell experience is very different from the Fedora 14 packaged one

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2011-01-01 Thread Bojan Smojver
For expose, I'm sorry that you don't like, but before we remove the feature or make it optional, we need to understand why you feel it is wrong. The problem with expose is that it moves your windows around and resizes them, many times unnecessarily. When one uses workspaces, it is often not

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2010-12-31 Thread Nex6
On 12/29/2010 02:50 PM, Giovanni Campagna wrote: Il giorno mer, 29/12/2010 alle 14.17 -0800, Nex6 ha scritto: hi all, First I would like to say great work on Gnome/Gnome-shell. I loaded Gnome-Shell on Fedora 14 and messed arround with it for awhile. I also, poked around the NET, and the

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2010-12-31 Thread Nex6
On 12/31/2010 01:42 AM, Nex6 wrote: On 12/29/2010 02:50 PM, Giovanni Campagna wrote: Il giorno mer, 29/12/2010 alle 14.17 -0800, Nex6 ha scritto: hi all, First I would like to say great work on Gnome/Gnome-shell. I loaded Gnome-Shell on Fedora 14 and messed arround with it for awhile. I also,

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2010-12-30 Thread Giovanni Campagna
Il giorno gio, 30/12/2010 alle 12.16 +1100, Bojan Smojver ha scritto: On Wed, 2010-12-29 at 23:50 +0100, Giovanni Campagna wrote: Current (2.91.4 / git master) gnome-shell experience is very different from the Fedora 14 packaged one (2.31.5). Just one comment here regarding switching

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2010-12-30 Thread Bojan Smojver
I assume from your later mail that you already have seen the latest mockups in gnome-shell-design. So why do you think that the workspace grid on the top left is better than the vertical one on the right? Because it's closer to Activities button. No need to travel across the screen to change

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2010-12-29 Thread Giovanni Campagna
Il giorno mer, 29/12/2010 alle 14.17 -0800, Nex6 ha scritto: hi all, First I would like to say great work on Gnome/Gnome-shell. I loaded Gnome-Shell on Fedora 14 and messed arround with it for awhile. I also, poked around the NET, and the archives of this list (just joined today). Current

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2010-12-29 Thread Bojan Smojver
On Wed, 2010-12-29 at 23:50 +0100, Giovanni Campagna wrote: Current (2.91.4 / git master) gnome-shell experience is very different from the Fedora 14 packaged one (2.31.5). Just one comment here regarding switching workspaces using mouse only. Consider: 1. Travel to top left corner. 2. Travel

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2010-12-29 Thread Bojan Smojver
On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 12:16 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote: Just one comment here Ah, one more thing. I noticed that my pidgin and krb5-auth-dialog icons have gone to the bottom right corner for some reason. Shouldn't we group things in one place so that users don't have to travel to two different

Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions

2010-12-29 Thread Bojan Smojver
On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 12:16 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote: It would really help with quick workspace switching if we had it there. Maybe even something like this (copied original mockup from jimmac). Mouse over the down arrow and you get apps menu superimposed over windows. Click something on the