On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 15:23 -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
>
> > If something is compelling they will learn everything about it. Apple
> > does a pretty good job with this. If the product is compelling people
> > will figure it out.
>
>
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 06:13 +0100, Onyeibo Oku wrote:
> That does not represent a vast majority. Don't limit the word
> 'people' to one geographical location.
It is estimated that by 2013 about 1.1 billion smartphones will be sold.
If that's not majority enough for you, then I don't know what i
On 01/04/2011 05:28 AM, Bojan Smojver wrote:
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 02:17 +, Adam Williamson wrote:
The vast majority of people do not use smartphones.
Seriously? Come on, kids in primary school have iPod Touch and even
iPhones these days.
That does not represent a vast majority. Don't li
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 02:17 +, Adam Williamson wrote:
> The vast majority of people do not use smartphones.
Seriously? Come on, kids in primary school have iPod Touch and even
iPhones these days.
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On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 15:23 -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> If something is compelling they will learn everything about it. Apple
> does a pretty good job with this. If the product is compelling people
> will figure it out.
again, we're back where we came in. My original point is that the use
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 10:17 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 23:06 +, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > I'm not sure to what extent you can expect people to make this leap.
>
> So, what you're saying is that people understand that they can have
> multiple "home screens" (which are
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 08:41 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 12:49 -0800, Nex6 wrote:
> > even alt-tab does not work properly anymore. if you have 3 gnome-terms
> > open alt-tab only shows one object.
>
> Right now I have 11 terminals open (many times I'll have more). Not sure
>
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Subject: Re: Gnome-Shell - questions and opinions
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 08:32 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 15:37 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote:
> > If you *don't* want your windo
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 15:23 -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> If something is compelling they will learn everything about it. Apple
> does a pretty good job with this. If the product is compelling people
> will figure it out.
Absolutely. People _love_ gadgets of all sorts. If Gnome workspaces (o
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Bojan Smojver wrote:
>
>
> So, extending this metaphor to the desktop is a no-brainer. Give users
> credit - vast majority of them already to this stuff every day.
>
>
I was sitting in a restaurant and overheard two middle aged women somewhere
in their early 50s ta
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 23:06 +, Adam Williamson wrote:
> I'm not sure to what extent you can expect people to make this leap.
So, what you're saying is that people understand that they can have
multiple "home screens" (which are completely not static - they in fact
all have apps of one kind or
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 08:27 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote:
> Workspaces may have been unusual in the days of complete Windows
> domination (during which time everybody had to suffer the cluttered, all
> windows of top of each other UI). Not any more.
I'm not sure to what extent you can expect people
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 17:52 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote:
> When you go to the overview in Git master, you see all the windows of
> the current workspace spread out before you and no windows of other
> workspaces.
Which is a problem in itself. No visibility.
> You can switch workspaces:
>
> - by cl
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 09:46 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 17:38 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote:
> > There are going to be improvements for switching between workspaces
> > (see http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/), but current plans are to keep
> > things a two-level thing - switch work
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 17:38 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote:
> There are going to be improvements for switching between workspaces
> (see http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/), but current plans are to keep
> things a two-level thing - switch workspaces than switch windows.
If I understand things correctly (a
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 08:32 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 15:37 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote:
> > If you *don't* want your windows moved around when selecting them (you
> > don't want that feature of the overview), then wouldn't you just click
> > on them?
>
> Not sure what you
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Bojan Smojver wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 15:37 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote:
> > What make you think that we are exclusively focused on workspaces? Our
> > expectation is really that a lot of users will never use them.
>
> More people are aware of workspaces these
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 12:49 -0800, Nex6 wrote:
> even alt-tab does not work properly anymore. if you have 3 gnome-terms
> open alt-tab only shows one object.
Right now I have 11 terminals open (many times I'll have more). Not sure
how I'd pick the right one using the above described Alt+Tab at all
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 15:37 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote:
> If you *don't* want your windows moved around when selecting them (you
> don't want that feature of the overview), then wouldn't you just click
> on them?
Not sure what you mean by this. Take this as an example: 20 open windows
across 6 work
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 15:37 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote:
> What make you think that we are exclusively focused on workspaces? Our
> expectation is really that a lot of users will never use them.
More people are aware of workspaces these days then you may expect. Lots
of folks have either Apple or An
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 15:37 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote:
> What make you think that we are exclusively focused on workspaces? Our
They get invoked a lot in the discussions I see on this list, and (I
felt) often in a way which seems to trump other considerations.
> expectation is really that a lot o
On 1/3/2011 12:37 PM, Owen Taylor wrote:
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 11:21 +, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sun, 2011-01-02 at 08:50 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote:
For expose, I'm sorry that you don't like, but before we remove the
feature or make it optional, we need to understand why you feel it is
wr
On 1/1/2011 6:55 AM, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
Il giorno ven, 31/12/2010 alle 01.42 -0800, Nex6 ha scritto:
On 12/29/2010 02:50 PM, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
Il giorno mer, 29/12/2010 alle 14.17 -0800, Nex6 ha scritto:
hi all,
Current (2.91.4 / git master) gnome-shell experience is very differ
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 11:21 +, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-01-02 at 08:50 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote:
> > > For expose, I'm sorry that you don't like, but before we remove the
> > > feature or make it optional, we need to understand why you feel it is
> > > wrong.
> >
> > The problem
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 17:07 +0100, Filip Štědronský wrote:
> Hi,
> It's not just about small windows. I dare say most of the
> windows we use today are maximized (be it browser, mail client,
> text editor). The workspace concept is useful particularly for
> _those_. Because when I have several su
Dne 3.1.2011 12:21:54 napsal Adam Williamson:
> No, I have no data, but I rather suspect a lot of users don't actually
> open enough windows at once - and, particularly, enough *small* windows
> which you can sensibly arrange in non-overlapping fashion on a typical
> monitor - to benefit from works
On Sun, 2011-01-02 at 08:50 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote:
> > For expose, I'm sorry that you don't like, but before we remove the
> > feature or make it optional, we need to understand why you feel it is
> > wrong.
>
> The problem with expose is that it moves your windows around and resizes
> them,
On Sun, 2011-01-02 at 08:50 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote:
> > For expose, I'm sorry that you don't like, but before we remove the
> > feature or make it optional, we need to understand why you feel it is
> > wrong.
>
> The problem with expose is that it moves your windows around and resizes
> them,
For expose, I'm sorry that you don't like, but before we remove the
feature or make it optional, we need to understand why you feel it is
wrong.
The problem with expose is that it moves your windows around and resizes
them, many times unnecessarily.
When one uses workspaces, it is often not r
Il giorno ven, 31/12/2010 alle 01.42 -0800, Nex6 ha scritto:
> On 12/29/2010 02:50 PM, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> > Il giorno mer, 29/12/2010 alle 14.17 -0800, Nex6 ha scritto:
> >> hi all,
> >>
> > Current (2.91.4 / git master) gnome-shell experience is very different
> > from the Fedora 14 packag
On 12/31/2010 01:42 AM, Nex6 wrote:
On 12/29/2010 02:50 PM, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
Il giorno mer, 29/12/2010 alle 14.17 -0800, Nex6 ha scritto:
hi all,
First I would like to say great work on Gnome/Gnome-shell. I loaded
Gnome-Shell on Fedora 14 and messed arround with it for awhile. I also,
On 12/30/2010 01:46 AM, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
Il giorno gio, 30/12/2010 alle 12.20 +1100, Bojan Smojver ha scritto:
On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 12:16 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote:
Just one comment here
Ah, one more thing. I noticed that my pidgin and krb5-auth-dialog icons
have gone to the bottom r
On 12/29/2010 02:50 PM, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
Il giorno mer, 29/12/2010 alle 14.17 -0800, Nex6 ha scritto:
hi all,
First I would like to say great work on Gnome/Gnome-shell. I loaded
Gnome-Shell on Fedora 14 and messed arround with it for awhile. I also,
poked around the NET, and the archive
I assume from your later mail that you already have seen the latest
mockups in gnome-shell-design. So why do you think that the workspace
grid on the top left is better than the vertical one on the right?
Because it's closer to Activities button. No need to travel across the
screen to change wo
Il giorno gio, 30/12/2010 alle 12.20 +1100, Bojan Smojver ha scritto:
> On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 12:16 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote:
> > Just one comment here
>
> Ah, one more thing. I noticed that my pidgin and krb5-auth-dialog icons
> have gone to the bottom right corner for some reason. Shouldn't we
Il giorno gio, 30/12/2010 alle 12.16 +1100, Bojan Smojver ha scritto:
> On Wed, 2010-12-29 at 23:50 +0100, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> > Current (2.91.4 / git master) gnome-shell experience is very different
> > from the Fedora 14 packaged one (2.31.5).
>
> Just one comment here regarding switching
Il giorno mer, 29/12/2010 alle 23.50 +0100, Giovanni Campagna ha
scritto:
> > But I sadly, I agree with those that think the use
> patterns/work-flows
> > of Gnome-Shell is not right. I really like the "control center" and
> the
> > lay-out under your user name. but the whole, activities, pop/zoo
On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 12:16 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote:
> It would really help with quick
> workspace switching if we had it there.
Maybe even something like this (copied original mockup from jimmac).
Mouse over the down arrow and you get apps menu superimposed over
windows. Click something on th
On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 12:16 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote:
> Just one comment here
Ah, one more thing. I noticed that my pidgin and krb5-auth-dialog icons
have gone to the bottom right corner for some reason. Shouldn't we group
things in one place so that users don't have to travel to two different
l
On Wed, 2010-12-29 at 23:50 +0100, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> Current (2.91.4 / git master) gnome-shell experience is very different
> from the Fedora 14 packaged one (2.31.5).
Just one comment here regarding switching workspaces using mouse only.
Consider:
1. Travel to top left corner.
2. Travel
Il giorno mer, 29/12/2010 alle 14.17 -0800, Nex6 ha scritto:
> hi all,
>
> First I would like to say great work on Gnome/Gnome-shell. I loaded
> Gnome-Shell on Fedora 14 and messed arround with it for awhile. I also,
> poked around the NET, and the archives of this list (just joined today).
Cur
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