On 5/28/2011 12:12 AM, Owen Taylor wrote:
On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 08:53 -0700, Diego Fernandez wrote:
Well then couldn't there just be a 'Power Off' and 'Suspend' option in
the menu then? That doesn't seem too confusing... Suspend = I'll be
back in a bit and want to get back to what I was
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 12:05 +0100, Martin Häsler wrote:
Am I the only one to think, that the Close button should be on the left
side?
Wrong. Close button should be on the side user prefers it.
IOW: it should be configurable.
The insane:
Suspend/Shutdown:
I think this is the first
The whole argument for not having Power Off as a visible option in the menu
seems to boil down to cultural convention. And I hope everyone here
understands that people do things in different ways in different cultures.
Sometimes people even do things differently than the local convention.
You
The only real cultural mismatch I think exists here is what the right
response is to do if the user gets confused by a menu that says:
Suspend
Hibernate
Power Off
Restart
Is the right thing to do to provide training for the user, or is the
right thing to do to improve the user interface?
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote:
The only real cultural mismatch I think exists here is what the right
response is to do if the user gets confused by a menu that says:
Suspend
Hibernate
Power Off
Restart
Is the right thing to do to provide
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
(This is actually one area where the kernel folks and distros - like us!
- seriously need to pull their finger out and either fix up the current
hibernate code, or swallow their pride and merge in either tuxonice or
On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 08:53 -0700, Diego Fernandez wrote:
Well then couldn't there just be a 'Power Off' and 'Suspend' option in
the menu then? That doesn't seem too confusing... Suspend = I'll be
back in a bit and want to get back to what I was doing. Power Off =
I'm done for a while and
On 05/27/11 17:12, Owen Taylor wrote:
On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 08:53 -0700, Diego Fernandez wrote:
Well then couldn't there just be a 'Power Off' and 'Suspend' option in
the menu then? That doesn't seem too confusing... Suspend = I'll be
back in a bit and want to get back to what I was doing.
Please feel free to crunch the numbers, because I've got not idea, what
you are talking of.
Also a computer takes 10 seconds to power off, how is that a lot of time
?
And of course it is not reasonable at all to suspend when back in a bit
means tomorrow.
That is a waste of energy and
On 5/26/2011 5:51 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
(e) there is an extension available [in at least the openSUSE GNOME3
STABLE repo] that adds Suspend Power Off as discreet items on the
menu.
@Adam:
Perhaps one of your audience is not system admins/power users(users of
tweak* extensions).
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Robert Park rbp...@exolucere.ca wrote:
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Jesse Hutton jesse.hut...@gmail.com wrote:
And, the preferred way of powering down by logging out and doing it in GDM
is surely not optimal given that most machines are single user
Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 05:51:30 -0400
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Subject: Re: The good, the bad, the insane
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On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 19:22 -0500, Robert
On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 16:43 +0100, Martin Häsler wrote:
Please let me explain why I care.
Having only Suspend in the user menu encourages people to waste energy
and that bothers me greatly.
And not everyone owns a modern laptop which uses only 1 Watt per hour in
standby.
More common would
On 05/26/2011 06:37 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 16:43 +0100, Martin Häsler wrote:
Please let me explain why I care.
Having only Suspend in the user menu encourages people to waste energy
and that bothers me greatly.
And not everyone owns a modern laptop which uses only 1
Luis, this is also true of openSUSE on my new ThinkPad.
Mike
Luis Villa l...@tieguy.org wrote:
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
Now, I can suspend it at night and resume it in the morning
and achieve the same result. For me, working and
On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 20:24 +0100, Martin Häsler wrote:
So for me, your math is wrong. Why? Because before I could actually
suspend my desktop and had a convenient interface for doing it, I didn't
power it off: I just left it running, so when I stumbled to my desk in
the morning it'd be
On 05/26/2011 08:40 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 20:24 +0100, Martin Häsler wrote:
So for me, your math is wrong. Why? Because before I could actually
suspend my desktop and had a convenient interface for doing it, I didn't
power it off: I just left it running, so when I
2011/5/26 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com
Well, step back and look at the bigger picture. Why does Shell have a
Suspend option and no Power Off option by default (and originally,
before the Alt hack, had no Power Off option *at all*)? The idea was to
influence people in the direction of
On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 22:23 +0200, Rovanion Luckey wrote:
Hibernate and not Suspend should had been the only option shown in the
menu when thinking of the computer as a computer and not a phone. It
quickly takes the user back to the state which the computer was when
it was hibernated and does
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.comwrote:
On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 20:24 +0100, Martin Häsler wrote:
So for me, your math is wrong. Why? Because before I could actually
suspend my desktop and had a convenient interface for doing it, I
didn't
power it off:
On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 21:17 +0100, Martin Häsler wrote:
On 05/26/2011 08:40 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 20:24 +0100, Martin Häsler wrote:
Here in Germany people power off their desktops and then switch off the
power extension,
because electricity is not cheap and we
Le jeudi 26 mai 2011 à 16:56 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams a écrit :
On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 21:17 +0100, Martin Häsler wrote:
At least my generalizations are based on observations of family,
friends and workplace and the
See my generalizations as above. When I advise people to power-off
On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 16:43 -0400, Jesse Hutton wrote:
The question is, why? Why did the designers want to mirror the typical
power mode of a smart phone? Isn't there a vast difference in the
utility and power consumption between the two? Yes, it seems
small--and I can still shutdown my
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.comwrote:
On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 16:43 -0400, Jesse Hutton wrote:
The question is, why? Why did the designers want to mirror the typical
power mode of a smart phone? Isn't there a vast difference in the
utility and power
On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 17:57 -0400, Jesse Hutton wrote:
Agreed that you have to weigh the differences. I judge that it weighs
if favor of giving people the option to power off their pc's. Btw, you
really terminate your IRC sessions, etc in all those situations you
sited?
I use an IRC proxy
On 26 May 2011 01:22, Robert Park rbp...@exolucere.ca wrote:
For those complaining about the removal of the power down option, do
your laptops lack physical power buttons? I have been running Gnome
Shell for months, and I just tap the power button, then the shell asks
me if I want to reboot
On 05/23/2011 06:47 PM, Allan E. Registos(x-mail) wrote:
On Monday, 23 May, 2011 10:13 PM, Ryan Peters wrote:
Before I say anything, let me state that I am not a developer or
designer of this project. From what I've read *from* the designers,
though, the decision was made for consistency's
Hi Martin,
On 05/23/2011 06:05 AM, Martin Häsler wrote:
Hi ,
After having followed this list for quite some time, I now feel
compelled to weigh in.
...
The insane:
Suspend/Shutdown:
I think this is the first design decision ever made in any desktop
which made me angry.
Leaving aside,
On 05/23/11 15:13, Ryan Peters wrote:
Hi Martin,
On 05/23/2011 06:05 AM, Martin Häsler wrote:
Hi ,
After having followed this list for quite some time, I now feel
compelled to weigh in.
...
The insane:
Suspend/Shutdown:
I think this is the first design decision ever made in any desktop
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 15:52 +0100, Martin Häsler wrote:
On 05/23/11 15:13, Ryan Peters wrote:
applications, this is something that is rarely done, so, for the sake
of consistency, it would make sense to optimize towards a behavior
that, for most users, would be preferable when walking
On 05/23/2011 09:52 AM, Martin Häsler wrote:
On 05/23/11 15:13, Ryan Peters wrote:
Hi Martin,
On 05/23/2011 06:05 AM, Martin Häsler wrote:
Hi ,
After having followed this list for quite some time, I now feel
compelled to weigh in.
...
The insane:
Suspend/Shutdown:
I think this is the
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