Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-29 Thread Jeanne Hromnik
>>>>>> *"Bwana Karani is an excellent personal memoir of Mervyn >>>>>>>>>>> Maciel's life and* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *times in Kenya. His book is a "Roots" of sorts,

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-29 Thread Mervyn Maciel
gt;>>>> mervynels.w...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Eugene , >>>>>>>>> No need to wait for Frederick to publish the book. Cyprian’s >>>>>>>>> excellent review gives

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-29 Thread Frederick Noronha
gt;>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 9:38 AM Mervyn Maciel < >>>>>>>> mervynels.w...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Eugene , >>>>>>>>> No need to wait for Frederick to publish the book. Cyprian’s >>>&

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-29 Thread Mousinho De Ataide
ick to publish the book. Cyprian’s >>>>>>>> excellent review gives you all you need to know about the book and this >>>>>>>> highly successful Kenya Goan lady. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mervyn Maciel >>

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-27 Thread Mervyn Maciel
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>  >>>>>>> Truth and reconciliation has worked to a degree in SA but, >>>>>>> ultimately, one has to accept that we cannot shed the burden of the >>>>>>> past. >>>>>>> xx

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-25 Thread Jeanne Hromnik
t;>> >>>>>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2022, 13:52 Steve R E Pereira, >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> This has been an interesting conversation thread. What it has >>>>>>> pointed out is that we need sensitivit

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-23 Thread Mervyn Maciel
clear eyed perspective >>>>>> in the role we as Goans played in the colonial, post colonial and neo >>>>>> colonial enterprise. Neither finger pointing or wilful blindness is >>>>>> helpful. Truth and reconciliation is. >>>>>>

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-22 Thread Jeanne Hromnik
ul blindness is >>>>> helpful. Truth and reconciliation is. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *I acknowledge the traditional owners whose lands I live and wor

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-21 Thread fredericknoronha2
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *I acknowledge the traditional owners whose lands I live and work and >>>> pay my respects and support to their Elders, past, present, and emerging.* >>>> >>>> &

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-21 Thread Eugene Correia
t;> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *I acknowledge the traditional owners whose lands I live and work and >>> pay my respects and support to their Elders, past, present, and emerging.* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >&

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-21 Thread Eugene Correia
s, is said to be the God the Redeemer, as >> he's said to have taken away our sins. Theology is warped in language >> that's not to be taken as "word of God'. God is many things to different >> people. >> >> >> >> Eugene >> >> >> >&

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-20 Thread 'Gilbert Lawrence' via The Goa Book Club
and pay my respects and support to their Elders, past, present, and emerging.             Sent from Mail for Windows 10   From: Mervyn Maciel Sent: Monday, 17 October 2022 5:03 AM To: goa-book-club@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-20 Thread Eugene Correia
>> he's said to have taken away our sins. Theology is warped in language >> that's not to be taken as "word of God'. God is many things to different >> people. >> >> >> >> Eugene >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 15, 2022 at 4:43 AM Freder

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-20 Thread Mervyn Maciel
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> From: Mervyn Maciel >> Sent: Monday, 17 October 2022 5:03 AM >> To: goa-book-club@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The fi

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-17 Thread Jeanne Hromnik
gt; > > > *From: *Mervyn Maciel > *Sent: *Monday, 17 October 2022 5:03 AM > *To: *goa-book-club@googlegroups.com > *Subject: *Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white > Loreto Convent Valley Road > > > > Dear Jeanne, > > > > I have by no mea

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-17 Thread Jeanne Hromnik
;>>>> The very fact that Jesus, in most cases, is said to be the God the >>>>>> Redeemer, as he's said to have taken away our sins. Theology is warped in >>>>>> language that's not to be taken as "word of God'. God is many things to >>>&g

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-17 Thread Jeanne Hromnik
gt;> frederic...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Someone said God is created in the image and likeness of man. >>>>>> If that were true, She would also be (at least a wee bit) racist, no? >>>>>> Like all of us are? >>>>

RE: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-17 Thread Steve R E Pereira
@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road Dear Jeanne, I have by no means excluded racism, but must assure you that I feel NO RESENTMENT whatsoever about my role in colonial Kenya.That was the status quo then,  and individuals like me, who were membersof

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-16 Thread Cliff Pereira
ub Sent: October 16, 2022 6:49 AM To: goa-book-club@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road I don't want to get involved in these debates but I do want to say, I've known Mervyn for 14 years, almost as long as I have been

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-16 Thread Jeanne Hromnik
l* > > > On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 at 02:59, 'Eddie D'Sa' via The Goa Book Club < > goa-book-club@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > So the Catholic God decided to be racist at Loreto. Ha, ha. > > Eddie > > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Jeanne Hromnik&q

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-16 Thread Mervyn Maciel
She would also be (at least a wee bit) racist, no? >>>>> Like all of us are? >>>>> FN >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [image: Mailtrack] >>>>> <https://streaklinks.com/BPXnScsbW83hh22OJgxqUYTJ/ht

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-16 Thread Jeanne Hromnik
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Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-16 Thread 'Selma Carvalho' via The Goa Book Club
od decided to be racist at Loreto. Ha, ha. Eddie -- Original Message -- From: "Jeanne Hromnik" To: goa-book-club@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 11 Oct, 22 At 10:03 Subject: Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road What an ecovative h

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-16 Thread Jeanne Hromnik
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Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-15 Thread fredericknoronha2
gt;> >>>> So the Catholic God decided to be racist at Loreto. Ha, ha. >>>> >>>> Eddie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- Original Message -- >>>> From: "Jeanne Hromnik" >>>> To: goa-bo...@g

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-15 Thread Eugene Correia
gt; >>> Eddie >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message -- >>> From: "Jeanne Hromnik" >>> To: goa-book-club@googlegroups.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, 11 Oct, 22 At 10:03 >>> Subject: Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] The first Goan

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-15 Thread Jeanne Hromnik
ub@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> So the Catholic God decided to be racist at Loreto. Ha, ha. >>> >>> Eddie >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Jeanne Hromnik" >>> To: goa-book-c

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-15 Thread Jeanne Hromnik
a The Goa Book Club < > goa-book-club@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> So the Catholic God decided to be racist at Loreto. Ha, ha. >> >> Eddie >> >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Jeanne Hromnik" >> To: goa-book-club@

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-15 Thread Mervyn Maciel
> >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Jeanne Hromnik" >>> To: goa-book-club@googlegroups.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, 11 Oct, 22 At 10:03 >>> Subject: Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto >

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-15 Thread Frederick Noronha
gt;> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Jeanne Hromnik" >> To: goa-book-club@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Tuesday, 11 Oct, 22 At 10:03 >> Subject: Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto >> Convent Valley Road >> >&

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-15 Thread Jeanne Hromnik
t; > To: goa-book-club@googlegroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, 11 Oct, 22 At 10:03 > Subject: Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto > Convent Valley Road > > What an ecovative headline! > I believe I was among the first Goans at Loreto Convent M'songari. We we

Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-15 Thread Mervyn Maciel
gt; wrote: > So the Catholic God decided to be racist at Loreto. Ha, ha. > > Eddie > > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Jeanne Hromnik" > To: goa-book-club@googlegroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, 11 Oct, 22 At 10:03 > Subject: Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] The first Goa

[GOABOOKCLUB] Re: The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley Road

2022-10-14 Thread 'Eddie D'Sa' via The Goa Book Club
So the Catholic God decided to be racist at Loreto. Ha, ha. Eddie -- Original Message -- From: "Jeanne Hromnik" To: goa-book-club@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 11 Oct, 22 At 10:03 Subject: Re: [GOABOOKCLUB] The first Goan in the mainly white Loreto Convent Valley R