[GOAL] Re: RE : Re: RE : Re: The Qualis and the silence of the Brazilian researchers

2015-04-06 Thread Bosman, J.M. (Jeroen)
Dear Yves and others, Of course journals evolve, almost everything does: companies, political parties etc. But no one would suggest not to set up a new company or poliitcal party but rather wait for the existing ones to adopt what you think is necessary. Just like it is normal for journals to

[GOAL] Re: Why are we still publishing journals anyways?

2015-04-06 Thread Bosman, J.M. (Jeroen)
Heather your question is valid and his been raised and debated in many places. But change does happen, albeit indeed at a very slow pace. Scholars are indeed conservative in their work habit,s and maybe there's even a good side to that. Without elaborating too much I think we may expect to see:

[GOAL] Re: RE : Re: RE : Re: The Qualis and the silence of the Brazilian researchers

2015-04-06 Thread Bosman, J.M. (Jeroen)
Dear Yves and others, It is indeed naive not to reckon with hierarchies. But is is also wise to consider that: - views of hierarchies may differ over various cultures and languages areas - hierarchies are based on images of what is or should be important or leading - images of hierarchies are

[GOAL] Re: RE : Re: RE : Re: The Qualis and the silence of the Brazilian researchers

2015-04-06 Thread Andrew A. Adams
Jeroen wrote: What would be foolish however is to assess, judge, award, hire or fund someone based on the lid of the silo that person has published in. I'm convinced that in the long run academia will recognize that. You can already see it happening in e.g. Germany, UK and the Netherlands.

[GOAL] RE : Re: RE : Re: RE : Re: The Qualis and the silence of the Brazilian researchers

2015-04-06 Thread Gingras, Yves
Hello Jeroen A last response Maybe because I tend to magine cultivated readers instaead of ignorabimus, I thought it was obvious to all that hierarchies differ, are based on images, influence by power relations, disputed, etc. No need here to rehearse postmodern rhetoric 101 to the readers of

[GOAL] RE : Re: RE : Re: The Qualis and the silence of the Brazilian researchers

2015-04-06 Thread Gingras, Yves
In any given research speciatly who is not an individual but the community. Just ask a bunch of physicists (random selection of 50 say) and ask them the difference between, say, Physical Review and Il Nuovo Cimento or even Physics Letters and Physical Review Letters (all publish essentially in

[GOAL] Re: RE : Re: The Qualis and the silence of the Brazilian researchers

2015-04-06 Thread Jacinto Dávila
Let's talk about strategies. The OA movement is a collective effort to draft a definition of Open Access, not for its own sake, but to identify the best practices to distribute and preserve knowledge and sustain the great conversation of Science. To that effect, this community has looked for

[GOAL] RE : Re: RE : Re: The Qualis and the silence of the Brazilian researchers

2015-04-06 Thread Gingras, Yves
Helllo Journals do evolve: they already did by going on-line and -- for many -- paperless. Many are continuous already trough online first, etc. Most of the elements on your list can be incorporated in the future without problems. I will not go through it one by one for it would be tedious,