Re: [GOAL] [SCHOLCOMM] On Academic Freedom

2018-03-24 Thread SANFORD G THATCHER
Universities in the US under copyright law could, if they so chose, to specify that all faculty writings done in the course of their employment that relate to their academic careers are to be regarded as "work made for hire." Under that regime academic authors would have no rights at all with

[GOAL] Derivative works that scholars don't want

2018-03-24 Thread Heather Morrison
Allowing unrestricted downstream use of scholarly works, like anything else, has both benefits and downsides. In OA discussions, there has been a tendency to focus exclusively on the positives. Following are two examples of downstream derivatives that many scholars, if they thought about it,

Re: [GOAL] Public domain and/or CC-BY facilitate toll access

2018-03-24 Thread Bosman, J.M. (Jeroen)
Dear Stephen, Thanks for your reaction. I should have said "Any publication shared with a CC-license is free of charges, as is any publication you find online shared with a public domain dedication. Period." Of course, as you rightly say there can be paid (re)publications of works in the

Re: [GOAL] Public domain and/or CC-BY facilitate toll access

2018-03-24 Thread Heather Morrison
Ok. It is helpful in discussion to know if we are talking about the same thing. Here is another aim at clarification: Public domain refers to works that are no longer in copyright. This means that the original copyright holder no longer has exclusive economic or moral rights. This means that

Re: [GOAL] [SCHOLCOMM] On Academic Freedom

2018-03-24 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 7:26 PM, SANFORD G THATCHER wrote: > So, Danny, let me ask if you are ok with funders requiring authors to > publish > under a CC BY license and waive all rights they otherwise would have to > have > input into how and where their writings get translated and

Re: [GOAL] [SCHOLCOMM] On Academic Freedom

2018-03-24 Thread David Wojick
I cannot speak for Danny but this seems to confuse intellectual freedom, which the term "academic freedom" usually means, with freedom from regulation. Academics are governed by a great many rules, each of which may restrict their freedom in some way. None of this necessarily has anything to

Re: [GOAL] Public domain and/or CC-BY facilitate toll access

2018-03-24 Thread Bosman, J.M. (Jeroen)
I have been arguing none of those three. Jeroen Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: Heather Morrison Date: 24/03/2018 18:20 (GMT+01:00) To: "Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)" Subject:

Re: [GOAL] [SCHOLCOMM] On Academic Freedom

2018-03-24 Thread Klaus Graf
Repeating wrong answers makes them not right. We have discussed this several times and I cannot see the sense to do this once again. I have made my point clear in 2012: https://jlsc-pub.org/articles/abstract/10.7710/2162-3309.1043/ Klaus Graf 2018-03-24 20:26 GMT+01:00 SANFORD G THATCHER

Re: [GOAL] [SCHOLCOMM] On Academic Freedom

2018-03-24 Thread SANFORD G THATCHER
So, Danny, let me ask if you are ok with funders requiring authors to publish under a CC BY license and waive all rights they otherwise would have to have input into how and where their writings get translated and how and where their works are republished (e.g., in edited form that distorts the

Re: [GOAL] Public domain and/or CC-BY facilitate toll access

2018-03-24 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Heather Morrison < heather.morri...@uottawa.ca> wrote: > CC-BY does grant blanket commercial rights to harvest and sell works, or > portions of works such as images > Agreed. and also derivative works. However with CC BY the re-user must (normally) acknowledge

Re: [GOAL] Public domain and/or CC-BY facilitate toll access

2018-03-24 Thread Heather Morrison
Thank you for the clarification. Regardless of what Springer was doing a few years ago, CC-BY does grant blanket commercial rights to harvest and sell works, or portions of works such as images Re: "the price of freedom is that someone should keep and advertise at least one copy of the

Re: [GOAL] Public domain and/or CC-BY facilitate toll access

2018-03-24 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Heather Morrison < heather.morri...@uottawa.ca> wrote: > This is a repeat of one argument I made last week to focus on one argument > at a time. > > Either public domain or CC-BY is consistent with, and facilitates, toll > access, both by the original publisher

Re: [GOAL] Public domain and/or CC-BY facilitate toll access

2018-03-24 Thread Heather Morrison
Jeroen, For clarification, can you confirm that you are arguing: 1. The "royalty free" clause in CC-BY means that works licensed CC-BY means a) the copyright holder is obliged to make the work available for free and b) no one downstream can legally include the work in a package of toll access

Re: [GOAL] Public domain and/or CC-BY facilitate toll access

2018-03-24 Thread Downes, Stephen
Jeroen Bosman wrote, "Any publication shared with a CC-license is free of charges, as is any publication in the public domain. Period." This is simply not true. Thomas Hardy's book 'The Mayor of Casterbridge' is public domain, having been published in 1886. However, if you go to a book store

Re: [GOAL] Public domain and/or CC-BY facilitate toll access

2018-03-24 Thread Bosman, J.M. (Jeroen)
Heather, Again, I think this argument creates much confusion. Any publication shared with a CC-license is free of charges, as is any publication in the public domain. Period. (Just for reference, as I am sure that you know the license terms, this is what the CC-BY license says: "a

Re: [GOAL] Public domain and/or CC-BY facilitate toll access

2018-03-24 Thread Downes, Stephen
To add to Heather's point, many academics (including myself) opt to publish under a CC NC (non-commercial) license in order to preserve free access to our materials. -- Stephen

Re: [GOAL] [SCHOLCOMM] On Academic Freedom

2018-03-24 Thread David Wojick
In particular, the fact that present copyright law enables one to make money from one's journal articles is not part of academic freedom. Also note that Willinsky's copyright reform proposal does not create a journal selection limitation, because it applies to all journals. The proposal is to

Re: [GOAL] [SCHOLCOMM] Willinsky proposes short copyright for researcharticles

2018-03-24 Thread Bosman, J.M. (Jeroen)
Heather, others, let's not mix things up. Copyright is not intended and useful to make provenance chains in scholarly communication reliable, complete and efficient. The norms of attribution in science and scholarship are separate from copyright or public domain status. There are created,