[GOAL] Re: Elsevier Keeps Revising Its Double-Talk (But Remains Fully Green)

2013-09-27 Thread Richard Poynder
Revising Its Double-Talk (But Remains Fully Green) On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Laurent Romary laurent.rom...@inria.fr mailto:laurent.rom...@inria.fr wrote: With all respect, Stevan, I am not sure it is worth answering publishers' policy tricks with deposit hacks. The core question

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier Keeps Revising Its Double-Talk (But Remains Fully Green)

2013-09-25 Thread Laurent Romary
With all respect, Stevan, I am not sure it is worth answering publishers' policy tricks with deposit hacks. The core question is: does Elsevier fulfills, by making such statements, its duties as service provider in the domain of scholarly communication. If not, we, as institutions, have to be

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier Keeps Revising Its Double-Talk (But Remains Fully Green)

2013-09-25 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Laurent Romary laurent.rom...@inria.frwrote: With all respect, Stevan, I am not sure it is worth answering publishers' policy tricks with deposit hacks. The core question is: does Elsevier fulfills, by making such statements, its duties as service provider in

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier Keeps Revising Its Double-Talk (But Remains Fully Green)

2013-09-25 Thread Friend, Fred
: Elsevier Keeps Revising Its Double-Talk (But Remains Fully Green) On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Laurent Romary laurent.rom...@inria.frmailto:laurent.rom...@inria.fr wrote: With all respect, Stevan, I am not sure it is worth answering publishers' policy tricks with deposit hacks. The core

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier Keeps Revising Its Double-Talk (But Remains Fully Green)

2013-09-25 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
Thanks Fred, At one level it is true that we get the contracts we deserve, but only if the issues are known. And the #scholarlypoor does not get the contracts it deserves. Peter's complaint that libraries do not challenge use or re-use clauses in contracts is not absolutely true, I give two

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier Keeps Revising Its Double-Talk (But Remains Fully Green)

2013-09-25 Thread Thomas Krichel
Friend, Fred writes I am sorry to be cynical, but the academic community gets the contracts it deserves. We have to learn to say no and really mean it. Say no to what? And how will you make sure what you say is matched by what you do? -- Cheers, Thomas Krichel

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier Keeps Revising Its Double-Talk (But Remains Fully Green)

2013-09-25 Thread Heather Morrison
As a reminder, here is how at least some of us academics are saying no to Elsevier, the Cost of Knowledge boycott: http://thecostofknowledge.com/ Signing on to and then acting on the San Francisco Declaration on Research Assessment is a good step to push back against the impact factor game

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier Keeps Revising Its Double-Talk (But Remains Fully Green)

2013-09-25 Thread Thomas Krichel
Heather Morrison writes As a reminder, here is how at least some of us academics are saying no to Elsevier, the Cost of Knowledge boycott: http://thecostofknowledge.com/ Individual academics have little incentives to carry out a threat like this. And this is specific to Elsevier when

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier Keeps Revising Its Double-Talk (But Remains Fully Green)

2013-09-25 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Laurent Romary laurent.rom...@inria.frwrote: With all respect, Stevan, I am not sure it is worth answering publishers' policy tricks with deposit hacks. The core question is: does Elsevier fulfill, by making such statements, its duties as service provider in