[GOAL] Re: Disruption vs. Protection

2013-09-14 Thread Dana Roth
Isn't the fact that The BIS report finds no evidence to support this distinction, due to the fact that there isn't sufficient data? I sense that we are going to have to live with (Green) OA and subscription journals for some time ... and that it is the subscription model for commercially

[GOAL] My potential survey about OA in Turkey

2013-09-14 Thread Barbaros Akkurt
Hello, I have prepared a novice type survey out of 10 questions (surveymonkey's free limit). Please find the questions below and allow me to learn your opinions about them. 1] Have you heard the concept, open access? How can one define the best meaning of this concept? 2] Would you be

[GOAL] ICAR adopts Open Access policy

2013-09-14 Thread Sridhar Gutam
*ICAR adopts Open Access policy* Today (13th September 2013) the Indian Council of Agricultural Research ( ICAR http://icar.org.in/en/node/6609) had announced its Open Access policy on its website http://icar.org.in/en/node/6609. The full-text of Open Access policy of the ICAR is follows: ICAR

[GOAL] Re: Disruption vs. Protection

2013-09-14 Thread Danny Kingsley
It is not that there is not sufficient data, it is that the 'threat' does not exist. The only 'evidence' to support the claim that immediate green open access threatens the 'sustainability' (read: profit) of commercial publishers comes in the form of the exceptionally questionable ALPSP survey

[GOAL] missing link of journal list for my survey

2013-09-14 Thread Barbaros Akkurt
Hello, The link in my previous e-mail is wrong, please find the links for DOC and PDF version of that list below: http://web.itu.edu.tr/~akkurtb/open_access/oa.doc http://web.itu.edu.tr/~akkurtb/open_access/oa.pdf The column titles are in Turkish, but the table is self-explanatory. Some links

[GOAL] Re: Disruption vs. Protection

2013-09-14 Thread Friend, Fred
This is an excellent contribution from Danny Kingsley, and it would be interesting to have some real information about subscription loss from publishers, and not only from the two publishers she mentions. Very occasionally we do hear stories about a few journals ceasing publication, but the

[GOAL] Re: Disruption vs. Protection

2013-09-14 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
There seem to be two incompatible arguments about the effect of Green OA: 1. That Green OA presents no threat to subscription publishing - see this thread and frequent other posts.(DK: It is not that there is not sufficient data, it is that the 'threat' does not exist. ) 2. Stevan Harnad's

[GOAL] Re: Disruption vs. Protection

2013-09-14 Thread Heather Morrison
A journal publishing 234 articles per year charging $30,860 for a subscription SHOULD be disrupted, on the basis of price. At this rate it would cost 7 times more to provide access to only the medical schools in North America than to provide open access to everyone, everywhere with an internet

[GOAL] Re: Disruption vs. Protection

2013-09-14 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Peter Murray-Rust pm...@cam.ac.uk wrote: *PM-R: *Stevan Harnad's goal [is] that Green OA will destroy the subscription market ( http://poynder.blogspot.ch/2013/07/where-are-we-what-still-needs-to-be.html) My only goal is (and always has been) 100% OA: no

[GOAL] Re: Disruption vs. Protection

2013-09-14 Thread Jean-Claude Guédon
I find myself fully in full agreement with both Danny Kingsley and Fred Friend. In a previous message, I mentioned the PEER project funded by the European Commission. The final report is available at http://www.peerproject.eu/fileadmin/media/reports/20120618_PEER_Final_public_report_D9-13.pdf .

[GOAL] Re: Disruption vs. Protection

2013-09-14 Thread Couture Marc
Peter Murray-Rust wrote: There seems to be two incompatible arguments about the effect of Green OA: 1. Green OA presents no threat to subscription publishing [...] 2. [...] Green OA will destroy the subscription market. I've been struggling with the same dilemma for a long time, and much

[GOAL] Re: Disruption vs. Protection

2013-09-14 Thread Jean-Claude Guédon
I believe that Stevan is logically right on all counts, but one problem remains that is not addressed here: people decide upon the behaviour on the basis of a mixed bag of facts and conjectures. Facts are used to constrain conjectures within the general perimeter of a risk analysis. Each category