--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote:
Dear Fred,
If you haven't already watched the Al Gore movie, An
Inconvenient Truth, do watch it. You'll enjoy it and
find it of interest.
Mario adds:
And about as authentic as the DaVinci Code:-))
Here is an inconvenient response to Mr. Gore's movie:
--- Vivek writes:
While we are at it could you or possibly Gilbert whose
forte is collecting and disseminating such evidence
provide evidence for sati untouchability holocaust or
even for the murder of Staines?
Do you or Gilbert grant the same benefit of doubt to
Dara Singh or the RSS or to
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote:
Dear Mario,
Thank you for the novella that you've taken time to
write. Thank you also for updating us once again how
right-wing conservatives are so concerned about
abortion and creating a culture of life, while
simultaneously not really being concerned about
--- HELGA GOMES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But lets not get discouraged with the
'Talibanisation of Goa' lets cheer the young women
who regardless of how cool or how moral infused
their clothes were, managed to bring back a gold
and a silver at the Asian Women's Chess
championship.
--- CARMO DCRUZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lest you have forgotten, India's game is field
hockey and we have won the
Olympic Hockey Gold medal in 1928 (Amsterdam),
1932
(Los Angeles), 1936
(Berlin), 1948 (London), 1952 (Helsinki), 1956
(Melbourne), 1964 (Tokyo) and
1980
--- Paulo Colaco Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Given that there are now only 4 European teams and
from those 4 teams Portugal holds the highest world
ranking (latest FIFA rankings May 2006)
http://www.fifa.com/en/mens/statistics/index/0,2548,All-May-2006,00.html
I think there is a very
--- Vivek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear mario:
I dont think there were any absurdities in my post.
What i wanted to convey was that evidence as
Gilbert and others demand for the atrocities
committed on native population during the
inquisition is very hard to find.
Mario responds:
Hey, Elisabeth,
I'm pretty sure that Mrs. Noah's body was better
covered-up than any salwar-khameez could, and for old
Noah's eyes only :-))
I'll bet she didn't have to worry about aborting any
of her conceptions though, with or without gender
selection:-))
Mario.
--- Elisabeth Carvalho [EMAIL
While I'm not a Goan in Goa, I'm not sure what the big
deal is here.
Even though I don't have a dog in this fight, I
rejoiced in Italy's stunning victory last night and
will rejoice if Portugal defeats the French tonight.
I always support a southern European team over a
northern European team.
--- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vivek
True to character, Mario decides that the guys like
Hitler, Stalin those in the Mafia etc all brought
up in his rock solid Christian morality swapped
sides to become atheists and then became the orgres
they were. The point I was making was that,
Chandra,
I'm not exactly sure what you are talking about below,
other than you seem to be upset.
The last time I checked we were waiting for you to
give us the contact information of the people in Goa
that you wanted us to petition. Did I miss something?
I physically cannot join you from half
--- Vivek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello:
i believe that there are just two kinds of people in
the whole world. People who are inherently decent
and good and others who are not.It doesnt matter
what religion they follow or which comunist party
they belong to. The only code i think
--- Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=33852
Mercosur Loses World Cup Hegemony
Mario Osava*
RIO DE JANEIRO, Jul 4 (IPS) - Shameful, a team
with no soul, at least the Argentines landed on
their feet, said indignant fans and perplexed
--- Vivek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I find it amusing and sometimes mildly irritating
that people who themselves have availed the
hospitality of a alien country as immigrants would
now grudge the same opportunities to their fellow
citizens, let alone foreigners. I call that
hypocrisy.
--- Frederick \FN\ Noronha wrote:
Mahatma Gandhi tends to be over-rated in the West.
Though this is off-topic, do you believe it's
because of the media blitz that he's benefitted
from globally in the second half of the 20th
century? FN
PS: Not many realise that while Gandhi had strong
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote:
Dear Mario,
Honestly you make it sound like I go around with a
scalpel and a neon sign on my head saying Buy one,
get one free. I'd like to put a smiley at the end
of that statement but abortion is no laughing matter
and my heart goes out to all the parents
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Humanists cannot reverse all the ills wrought upon
this planet by the so-called religious in one
generation.
Mario replies:
Forget about secular humanists curing ANY of
mankind's ills. The point I made was that the secular
humanists are not even in the arena,
--- Aristo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aristo replies:
Rape is a crime of violence, instigated by lust (No,
I have not done exstensive studies nor do I have
statistics to prove it, but it is my gut
feeling).
Mario replies:
Sorry to ruin your overheated fantasies, but according
to mental
--- Vivek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hello mario:
I have not clearly understood your point of view
about the moral code debate.
Mario replies:
I guess your earlier word was not as final as you
intended, but that's OK :-))
It is quite clear that you have not understood the
essence of my
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote:
Dear Mario,
I'm a little confused.
Mario replies:
Elisabeth, Lesson No. 1. As a budding Goan politician
that we are training on Goanet on behalf of Goa Suraj,
you never want to give a debating opponent such an
opening.
For example, a nasty debating opponent
--- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Question: Again what game are you on about? France
did not play Germany!! Or did I have one too many
Stellas?
Mario replies:
Gabe is right, with or without his favorite Stellas.
Thierry Henry's goal off a Zinedine Zidane free kick
in a prior post
--- Aristo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to know what YOU feel is the PRIMARY
root-cause of War, Confict and Violence in
contemporary society, and how is it in
contrast with historical wars. Is it due to:
1) Fundamentalism Bigotry (Religious, Cultural,
Racial, Ideological, etc)
--- Gilbert Lawrence wrote:
If you call Buddhist and Jains as atheists, then
we definitely have a semantic problem.
Mario adds:
Gilbert,
Santosh is correct. Buddhists and Jains are atheist
organizations, but they have all the essential moral
features of a theistic religion. So,
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arrested.
Mario Goveia wrote:
In your last post you, M. Goveia, have associated me
with Adolph Hitler. Your post is accessible at
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-
goanet.org/2006-July/045413.html
Mario responds:
This is a classic example of a Santosh falsehood, when
he deliberately
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Again
--- borg costa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A life spent making mistakes is not only more
honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing
nothing.
---George Bernard Shaw
Mario observes:
Hey, Borg,
I'm not sure what moved you to publish the pessimistic
quote shown above by George Bernard
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote:
Dear Santosh,
Please be assured that Goanetters do not have any
hostility towards you. Please also be assured that
Goanetters do not place any stock in distortions of
the views expressed by you. Hence, please do not feel
that you have to save face with Goanetters,
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote:
Dear Mario,
I so detest getting into slanging matches over the
Internet or in real life, because they don't resolve
anything. However, in answer to your question about
how people become spokespersons, it is in the same
way someone in real life stands up for
--- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The parents of the Israeli soldier kidnapped by
Hamas in Gaza were interviewed on UK TV about an
hour ago.
This time, the father regretted that Israel broke
the unwritten agreement between the two sides and
instead of negotiating for the return of
--- Jaswant Krishnayya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mario Goveia in his contribution has said that
allegations against Sai Baba of molesting of
children are ill-founded.
I just want to say that I have seen a film on TV
where an American family spoke at length (about 25
minutes) about how
--- Fred Noronha wrote:
I don't agree with my colleague RKN's view that an
undivided India would have been unsustainable. To
me, it seems based on the logic that
Muslims-aren't-people-like-us.
---RKN responded:
No, that's not what I meant.
Mario asks:
RKN,
After saying that's not
--- lenny dsouza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I totally agree with you, and we have actually
played too much cricket now its time that the two
countries, meet togather and resolve this problem.
Mario observes:
Hey, Lenny, Kiten re? That is not all that Elisabeth
said, so how can you totally
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote:
Dear Lenny,
I too am a pacifist of sorts and do not think that
wars serve much purpose besides creating more hatred
and violence.
Mario writes:
Elisabeth,
I guess it depends on what the meaning of
of sorts is, which enables you to try and have it
both ways,
--- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...as a liberal politically, and
...only tore up my party membership card over
Blair's insane support for Bush in the war on Iraq.
Does this make me some kind of odd character
because, presumably, I would not vote Republican or
perhaps even Christian
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote:
Mario G.'s contention that there is no solution to
the labour component of industry except in response
to a total free market principle of demand and
supply, is not entirely true.
Mario clarifies:
Elisabeth,
I did not say there was no solution. What I said
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote:
Dear Cornel,
I have much respect and sympathy for the Jews, for
their enormous contribution to society and their
perseverance through all they've had to endure in
history. However when they had an opportunity to
make right the wrongs of history, they've proven
--- lenny dsouza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Elisabeth,
I have always seen that war appear to stop
terrorism only for a short time but germinates more
wars. This attack may appear good now but imagine
the lifes of the civilian, put your self there in
their place. I have seen pictures
--- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The beauty of a secular public forum like Goanet is
that any ordinary person like me can express his
views without fear and intimidation. No amount of
petulant outbursts and abusive attacks, whining and
complaining, distortions and fabrications,
--- Jaswant Krishnayya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My reason for going on at this length, is simply to
point out that trying to implement a free market
in labour is socially and economically a suicidal
policy for any society. Goa had better wake up and
do something about it.
Mario
--- Frederick \FN\ Noronha wrote:
When you talk migration to the US, however,
shouldn't the frame of reference be a reality that
the people issuing the green cards don't belong
there in the first place? Why is White, Anglo-Saxon
Protestant/Catholic migration to the US seen as a
given? Or,
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Velho writes:
I just have one question for Mr. Mario Goveia (in
particular) and other netters too. As the Indian
economy progresses at this overheated pace, what
should we do to ensure that the rural-urban divide
does not cause this country to erupt in chaos.
Mario
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--- Velho writes:
I just have one question for Mr. Mario Goveia (in
particular) and other netters too. As the Indian
economy progresses at this overheated pace, what
should we do to ensure that the rural-urban divide
does not cause this country to erupt in chaos. The
previous economic
--- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think it is now absolutely clear that Mario needs
to win every argument on Goanet and address every
issue under the sun. If need be he will readily
distort what someone else has said and then attack
the distortion. I think, apart from you two,
--- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Vivian
When Mario Goveia said at least twice on Goanet
recently that, it is infested by atheists I
immediately thought of two things: a) Has Goanet
become a base for the Christian religion and ceased
to be secular? b) Was Goanet right to allow Mario
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--- Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As far as I know, there's no evidence of rape
rooms. I must admit that most of my knowledge
about Iraqi affairs is acquired through the
media. There's evidence of torture rooms, plenty
of it, and they were used against political rivals.
--- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The suggestion that if the Axis powers had won the
war in 1945, many would be speaking German is a
possibility and you Japanese. So would the
Americans speak German as Hitler definitely
intended world domination which included America.
He was after
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote:
Your disdain for fellow posters knows no bounds.
Mario clarifies:
Actually, I have no disdain for you or most fellow
posters, though I will make an exception for those who
deliberately twist the truth. In this thread I'm
simply trying to understand how the world
In my opinion, in the short run, no difference. In
the longer run, OCI.
As a naturalized US citizen, I have a ten year visa
for India, and will switch to the OCI when it expires.
The only difference for me is that with the OCI I can
stay in India as long as I like per visit, but only 6
months
--- borg costa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A life spent making mistakes is not only more
honorable, but more useful than a life spent
doing nothing.
---George Bernard Shaw
Mario observes:
Borg,
With all due respect, the quote for today makes no
sense to me. How can a life spent making
--- velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To give you an example of this, a friend of mine
bought a flat in Mumbai for about Rs. 1.5 crores,
he rents it out for about Rs. 1.5 lakh a month. For
a penthouse close to your residence in Miramar that
costs almost Rs. 1.5 crores, you will not find
--- velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Mario,
As the main proponent of the theory that God
fearing people cannot be evil. Can you please
explain the following paradoxes.
Mario responds:
Sadly for your case, you start off with a false
premise. When exactly did I say what you say I said?
they please.
--- Jim Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please read my email once again in its entirety, if
you'd like to debate on this issue.
Jim F.
New York.
-- Original message
--
From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- velho [EMAIL PROTECTED
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote:
Firstly, is there a difference between REAL evil
and FAKE evil?
Mario replies:
Yes. REAL evil is when someone medically sane
deliberately and maliciously sets out to harm others.
I gave you a long list of examples.
FAKE evil are the kinds of personal bad
--- Aristo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since you have repeated a lot of your logic once
again by conveniently avoiding to give an answer to
the question Karl Marx, 19-century Communist
Manifesto aside, in todays world of Cafeteria
plural identities, what practically prevents a
Christian
--- Vivek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
many interesting points have been made in the God
fearing vs evil discussion on Goanet.
My belief is that pure evil and a solid faith in God
can both exist.
Be it the Hindu caste system, or the christian
inquisition, evil people have invoked God to commit
--- Vivek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
THE FACT IS THAT THIS WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME THE
SIKH RIOTS WERE FAR MORE GRUESOME AND HAD AMPLE
STATE PATRONAGE.
Mario asks:
I wonder what STATE that would be because the states
of Punjab and Haryana and New Delhi which were the
primary victims, were
--- velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Mario,
As the main proponent of the theory that God
fearing people cannot be evil. Can you please
explain the following paradoxes.
Mario responds:
Sadly for your case, you start off with a false
premise. When exactly did I say what you say I
said?
Mario Goveia wrote:
The Catholic Church's position on homosexuality
does not apply to me because I am not homosexual.
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote:
Dear Mario,
Does the Catholic Church's position on abortion also
not apply to you because you are not a woman?
Mario responds
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/08/11/D8JE27V00.html
The attached is not an empty warning. As we know from
9/11, the bombings in Madrid and Bali and London and
Mumbai and the arrests in London a few days ago, the
people targeted include innocent civilians of all
kinds, even those who oppose
--- Vivek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MG: There may be a business opportunity in producing
another documentary highlighting your objections to
this one.
MYSELF: Clearly humor is the last refuge of a poster
who has run out of valid points. For your
information the right wingers have already
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote:
No Dear Mario,
It is you who are being extremely silly and I will
demonstrate why with an example, which unfortunately
is a true one.
Back in those days, there used to be establishments
(restaurants and clubs) in Dubai which were members
only, which was an
--- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Mervyn
Thanks for your appreciative comments on Hitler as a
Catholic.
It was a response particularly to Peter D'Souza. I
had previously noted his intelligent commentary and
consideration on GX even though we are on
opposite sides of the political
--- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Elisabeth
Thanks for you very interesting question about what
prompts Pakistani originating Muslims to adopt
terrorist behaviour/action, unlike the Indian
originating Muslims in London.
Mario adds:
To add to Cornel's pretty reasonable comments on
--- Aristo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Santosh,
While I hate to keep the theological debate alive,
this statement didn't really digest. What do you
have to say about the works of, say, Stephen
Hawking and Paul Davies?
--- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What works of
--- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After all, the firm evidence that, Hitler a
firm believer in Catholicism all his life, was also
possibly the greatest murderer of all time, should
set you thinking.
Mario observes:
There is absolutely no logic or common sense in the
gross
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote:
It is perhaps the inherent religious chauvinism of
host countries that makes Muslims feel
disenfranchised when they emmigrate. However, I
don't want to give this theory too much credence
either (even though it is my own theory :)),
because strange as it may
--- Jose Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I also submit that any reasonable person would
realise that BELIEF is a purely subjective
(personal) process. Only close confidants are likely
to really KNOW what another person's BELIEF truly
is. But Cornel is a London University academic. IF
--- Gilbert Lawrence wrote:
As Mario said, we do not really know the exact
situation till the atheist is arrested and
questioned under oath.
--- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The above is nothing but gratuitous parroting of
idiosyncratic prejudice against people with
--- Aristo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While Mario may have had inhibitions to answer the
question you asked us to reflect upon in the
interest of restraint, I have none, in this
particular case. It is the same reason why 52% of
America voted Bush back into power after killing
42,000+
--- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But speaking about interpretation of rules, are the
following rules being properly interpreted, or are
they being re-interpreted differently from my own
interpretation of them? Could you tell us whether
they have ever been enforced?
RULES
--- percy ferrao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Mario,
Thanks your email on the OCI card. Is it true that
USA/UK will not be in a position to provide
consular protection to its citizens in thier
country of second nationalality, and to what
extent ?
Mario responds:
Percy,
As
--- Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
America is predominantly a Caucasian society. A
Russian immigrant within two generations will be
totally assimilated into mainstream America. Any
community of a different colour is forever a
minority or immigrant.
Mario observes:
1. While a person
--- Jose Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see nothing wrong with the above quoted from
Gilbert Lawrence.
All he says (in effect) is that he (Gilbert
Lawrence) would IGNORE an atheist, as also
someone who smokes, divorced, lives a homosexual
life style or cheats on his
--- Aristo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why doesn't America believe in evolution?
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg19125653.700
Mario observes:
The article above is a total misrepresentation.
Other than a miniscule segment of vociferous Christian
fundamentalists, America as a whole
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