Chris,
I've tried to setup billing on my appid three times now. I set it up
and then it seems to turn off on its own without even sending me an
email or any notification.
Every few days, I check and it keeps saying that I have a new past due
bill. When I go to turn it on again, it asks me for a
Sorry, I apologize for the amateur remark, that was a bit much.
jon
On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:51:56 AM UTC-7, Jon Stevens wrote:
Chris,
I've tried to setup billing on my appid three times now. I set it up
and then it seems to turn off on its own without even sending me an
email or
Chris,
I am using GAE for my startup and it's just freakin' awesome.
I don't use frameworks. I don't use CDNs (whatever those are!?). I don't
use SSL.
Just MVP and Objectify, and it flat out rocks.
Daily, I pee in my pants with excitement.
My customers are thrilled. (Both of them).
David
Would you mind sending me (via direct email) your app ID(s) and we'll look
into this? We're aware of Checkout/Wallet issues and are improving the
user experience...I promise.
-- Chris
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:51 AM, Jon Stevens latch...@gmail.com wrote:
Chris,
I've tried to setup billing
You could start by being a little more transparent about what you're doing.
Publishing release roadmaps are the norm for almost every software company
in the world. You guys seem to love to leave us (the users) in the dark
about everything you do until it's released. This is the 2nd time our
Is GAE incompatible with other CDNs? No. As mentioned earlier there was
an issue on our side that that resulted in Google incorrectly blocking
traffic from services such as CloudFlare. For security reasons, we cannot
provide greater detail. We did identify the root cause and have rolled
back
Thanx Chris for your answer.
François
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Chris Ramsdale cramsd...@google.com wrote:
Is GAE incompatible with other CDNs? No. As mentioned earlier there was
an issue on our side that that resulted in Google incorrectly blocking
traffic from services such as
Rick,
We publish upcoming features and functionality within the App Engine
Features section of our developer site:
https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/features
In regards to bailing on the platform, it is unfortunate to hear. If you
have time, I would like to understand what we
If you are upset by Google's pricing for SSL, please star this issue:
http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=7932
jon
On Thursday, August 2, 2012 10:46:14 AM UTC-7, Chris Ramsdale wrote:
Jeff, et al.--
We have verified that a configuration change on our side led to
Here is another issue to star... SSL is too difficult to setup.
http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=7933
jon
On Friday, August 3, 2012 10:16:36 AM UTC-7, Jon Stevens wrote:
If you are upset by Google's pricing for SSL, please star this issue:
Will we have an explanation from Google or CloudFlare about what went wrong?
Everything seems to be back to normal at the moment but for how long? Is
GAE CDN incompatible?
Thanx for your answers.
Francois
On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 9:06:05 PM UTC+2, Takashi Matsuo (Google)
wrote:
Hi
Hi Francois,
A Google employee already posted about the issue.
Jeff, et al.--
We have verified that a configuration change on our side led to
certain requests being denied / redirected. The rollback of this
change started earlier this morning and should be completed shortly.
We are actively
That's what we did as well.
To answer the question of why did we switch to cloudflare ssl, and was it
the price. The answer is that google's ssl is a brand new product, we were
on cloudflare before it was an option with google. And yes, it's a lot
cheaper. Plus they have all the other features
Indeed CF looks great on paper, but no one should expect it working
properly with GAE anymore
That's how big companies operate, since CF and GAE/Google are potential
competitors, logically speaking they would disrupt their service as much as
they can with minimal responsibility
I would guess
Jeff, et al.--
We have verified that a configuration change on our side led to certain
requests being denied / redirected. The rollback of this change started
earlier this morning and should be completed shortly. We are actively
looking into measures that we can take to ensure that issues like
I hate it when Mommy and Daddy fight.
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+1 Internets for Cesium posts. They usually make me laugh.
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Hi Jeff,
I've escalated this issue. However, I don't think we can completely
turn this off.
What was the main reason that you're using CloudFlare?
-- Takashi
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 3:13 AM, Jeff Schnitzer j...@infohazard.org wrote:
Ok, this is fucked up. Visit http://www.voo.st/, and get
1) SSL at a reasonable price
2) Documented edge cache behavior
3) Real (as opposed to javascript-driven GA-type) traffic statistics
4) They do a number of convenient bits of processing (stripping
whitespace from html, etc)
Jeff
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Takashi Matsuo tmat...@google.com
Hi Takashi,
CloudFlare is a reverse proxy/CDN that provides services to hundreds
of thousands of websites. It would be nice to know what is triggering
this and you can contact me at my email address (damon@). My hunch is
that one domain on the service may be causing this trigger, so we
would
Hi Takashi,
Do you mean that we can't use any kind of CDN with GAE?
I've been successfully using CloudFlare for a few months to make my
websites reachable from China.
I don't have any other solution at the moment, at least in my budget.
It would be great to have a clear answer about this as
Same here! I'm on a thread with enterprise support right now and they are
telling me that the reverse proxy is to blame. WTF??
You guys have to stop changing things on us with no warning. This is NOT
OK! We are paying customers (at least my company is). You're really giving
us every reason to
ditto. CloudFlare support recommended Pausing cloudfalre until google and
CF work this out. Please help, Google.
On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 5:48:03 PM UTC-4, Rick Mangi wrote:
Same here! I'm on a thread with enterprise support right now and they are
telling me that the reverse proxy is
Our CEO literally just shot one of our contacts over there some
additional information moments ago. I'll try to update you as soon as
I know more.
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 3:05 PM, masterblaster dan...@gmail.com wrote:
ditto. CloudFlare support recommended Pausing cloudfalre until google and
CF
Thanx Damon for keeping us informed.
Francois
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:19 AM, Damon Billian da...@cloudflare.com wrote:
Our CEO literally just shot one of our contacts over there some
additional information moments ago. I'll try to update you as soon as
I know more.
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012
I'll do my best. Like I recommended to a few other folks that
contacted us already, pausing CloudFlare *might* help in the interim
(settings-pause CloudFlare). The only problem is that we will be
going direct at that point no SSL:(
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Francois MASUREL
CloudFlare biting you in the ass.
It happens. Bonus...
Cloudflare doesn't form its proxy request headers correctly. Check the
archive this isn't undocumented I've mentioned a lot when helping other
people with the same error.
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On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Drake drak...@digerat.com wrote:
CloudFlare biting you in the ass.
What stops me from crafting requests that Google will recognize as an
attack and running them through your CDN in the middle of the Survivor
season finale, shutting you down?
I mean, other than
Who had 3:47pm PDT in the pool for when Brandon would pipe up with his I told
you so? Anyone?
:)
On Aug 1, 2012, at 6:47 PM, Drake drak...@digerat.com wrote:
CloudFlare biting you in the ass.
It happens. Bonus...
Cloudflare doesn't form its proxy request headers correctly. Check the
Whatever, Drake (Brandon).
Hi Jeff,
We're in contact with our Google contact to find out what the issue
is. I'll post as I have any additional details to share.
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Drake drak...@digerat.com wrote:
CloudFlare biting you in the ass.
It happens. Bonus...
Not if they form their request headers properly.
CF sends IPs that are malformed, nonsensical, and non-responsive. (and often
blank)
My CDN solution says Request on behalf of X the right way.
Oh, and CF has already tried doing that to me. More than once.
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Hi,
We have heard back from our contact at Google and this is being worked
on (don't have an eta for a full fix yet will let you know...but
hoping within the next day or less).
It also looks like our IPs are going to get whitelisted to prevent
these issues in the future.
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012
That's what y'all say every 9 months...
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/google-appengine/om1DF_61
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What evidence do you have to suspect that Google is treating CF as an
attack because of the way they form headers?
That doesn't even make sense - if CF is mangling headers, presumably
they've been doing it for a while, and it wasn't being blocked before.
More likely there's some sort of real
Hi Drake,
We have already had the confirmation from the Google Security Engineer
that is our contact that he will look into this. It is probably best
not to comment on discussions that you are not involved in can't
read minds.
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Drake drak...@digerat.com wrote:
Instead of whitelisting your IPs Fix your Proxy. Google is not the only
place with these issues. Don't lie about the IP the request is on behalf of,
don't create IPs that don't exist or are in unassigned ranges. Don't try to
piggy back session headers that aren't from the same session. Google
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Drake drak...@digerat.com wrote:
That's what y'all say every 9 months...
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/google-appengine/om1DF_61
Xl4
Brandon, this is why I can't trust anything you say anymore. That
thread is unrelated to this issue, and
you are being deliberately disingenuous.
I vote for this, personally.
Hi Drake.
I'm pretty sure our engineering team, given their background at major
internet companies and the like, are probably pretty familiar with
creating properly formed headers.
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jeff
This is a mirror of the conversation from 9 months ago and the one from 9
months before that, and the conversation on the Amazon forum, and the
Rackspace forum and the Google Webmasters forum...
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/google-appengine/om1DF_61Xl4/cRtKFojKc
BMJ
The headers would be coming from nginx. Unless nginx is passing along
malformed headers, it wouldn't be caused by us.
CF does headers wrong
Please provide something specific that is malformed. We're more than
happy to check on it both internally and with nginx. To date, you just
keep making claim
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Drake drak...@digerat.com wrote:
This is a mirror of the conversation from 9 months ago and the one from 9
months before that, and the conversation on the Amazon forum, and the
Rackspace forum and the Google Webmasters forum...
I'll pretend for a moment that
Here from when I was working with the guys at Google about proxying requests
when I was consulting for Akamai.
Your requests will be blocked if you cross a thresh hold of requests that
meet the following criteria.
PROXY reports request on behalf of Google Internal IP address. (or any IP
Are you so certain of this that you're willing to grant me free license to
DOS your CDN at a time of my choosing? I have some reasonable suspicions as
to how to tickle Google's defenses, and shutting down your entire business
in the middle of prime-time would be a really spectacular way to prove
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Drake drak...@digerat.com wrote:
I only have one CDN client at the moment.
I think this says it all.
jon
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If I read this right, you're telling me that anyone can DOS your CDN
by making a lot of requests with bogus User-Agent strings (which,
incidentally, was one of my guesses). Forget CloudFlare for a moment.
You aren't the least bit concerned about that?
Or are you saying that you filter
If I read this right, you're telling me that anyone can DOS your CDN by
making
a lot of requests with bogus User-Agent strings (which, incidentally, was
one
of my guesses). Forget CloudFlare for a moment.
You aren't the least bit concerned about that?
If your CDN is worth their salt they
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Drake drak...@digerat.com wrote:
If I read this right, you're telling me that anyone can DOS your CDN by
making
a lot of requests with bogus User-Agent strings (which, incidentally, was
one
of my guesses). Forget CloudFlare for a moment.
You aren't the least
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Playing with the headers sucks.
CF plays with theirs a lot, so if you are in the business already, be in the
business.
If you Cache you kind of have to, because Referrer often isn't going to be
what is expected.
CF runs on other people's IPs so they have less control over
There are a variety of reasons people run reverse proxies against GAE.
Someone in this thread has already mentioned they do this to support
access from China. That poor developer getting DDOS'd would probably
like to use CloudFlare right now. Folks using wwwizer and custom
solutions for SSL
Jeff,
Your CDN should have the conversation, it should never hit the list. Google
is not the only place that CF bumps heads on the network edge. There have
been similar discussions on other cloud providers.
Google is doing some things with security through obscurity. Which sucks.
They are also
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