[GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups

2008-09-02 Thread Bobby Kunhu
[EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, 30 August, 2008, 7:27 PM The tone this conversation has taken reminds me of Jean Genet's play *The Blacks

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2008-09-01 Thread Dileep Raj
One crucial aspect is lost while juxtaposing elite land/labour. The land struggles from 90s in Kerala was not in the least a 'spontaneous' upsurge. There were theoretical and imaginative work by a section of dalit intellectuals ( Geethanandan, Sanni, M D Thomas et al) behind the behind those

[GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups

2008-09-01 Thread Dileep Raj
I am emphasising this, for contemporary land struggles are not mere struggles for resourse, but identity movements fighting for citizenship. Describing them as struggle for land and labour is reductive reading . On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One crucial

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2008-08-31 Thread S sanjeev
plz enlighten dear bobby:-) --- On Sat, 30/8/08, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, 30 August, 2008, 7:27 PM The tone

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2008-08-31 Thread Radha krishnan
. - Original Message From: damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, 31 August, 2008 12:36:54 AM Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups Thank you Radhakrishnan for not unsubscribing from green youth. As a first

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2008-08-31 Thread venukm
]  To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, 29 August, 2008 5:17:44 PM Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED]*wrote: From: neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni

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2008-08-31 Thread Afthab Ellath
issues. - Original Message From: damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, 31 August, 2008 12:36:54 AM Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups Thank you Radhakrishnan for not unsubscribing from green youth

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2008-08-31 Thread ranju radha
PROTECTED] To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, 29 August, 2008 5:17:44 PM Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] *wrote: From: neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED

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2008-08-31 Thread venukm
1. Why should one be ‘reluctant’ to accept dalit scholars? Which of the scholars on earth, let alone dalit scholars, would make claim for such exclusivity in uncritical acceptance ? I believe that accepting someone is different from making him/her into icons ,and it is there I raised a few

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2008-08-31 Thread ranju radha
some more brief observations; 1) how wide is this elite/non-elite divide among Dalits? is there a large /strong elite among Dalits? Or is it a kinda imagined by C V Sreeraman kinda shortstory writers (duravastha pinneyum vannappol)? Do u think all elite Dalits have been coopted by Hindutva and

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2008-08-30 Thread ahmed rafeek j
? - Original Message From: neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, 29 August, 2008 5:17:44 PM Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED]*wrote: From: neelan

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2008-08-30 Thread sunil kumar
@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, 29 August, 2008 5:17:44 PM Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED]*wrote: From: neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad

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2008-08-30 Thread S sanjeev
oks. --- On Fri, 29/8/08, neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 4:43 PM OK, let me Neelan --- On Fri

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2008-08-30 Thread Bobby Kunhu
] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 4:43 PM OK, let me Neelan --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, S sanjeev [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: S sanjeev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re

[GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups

2008-08-30 Thread damodar prasad
in Google groups --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED]*wrote: From: neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 4:43 PM OK, let me

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2008-08-30 Thread ranju radha
@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, 29 August, 2008 5:17:44 PM Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED]*wrote: From: neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad

[GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups

2008-08-30 Thread ranju radha
neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, 29 August, 2008 5:17:44 PM Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED]*wrote: From: neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject

[GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups

2008-08-30 Thread damodar prasad
, 2008 5:17:44 PM Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED]*wrote: From: neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups

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2008-08-30 Thread ranju radha
PROTECTED] To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, 29 August, 2008 5:17:44 PM Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED]*wrote: From: neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re

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2008-08-29 Thread S sanjeev
: From: neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 9:47 AM Theoretical assumtions , arguements, negations, evaluations or revaluations   are are fine Ranju

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2008-08-29 Thread ahmed rafeek j
'de-casters' and see how deeply caste is entrenched in those textual practices. --- On Fri, 29/8/08, neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth

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2008-08-29 Thread ranju radha
radha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ranju radha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 7:43 AM the caste hindu de-casting happened by assuming a meta-social sphere

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2008-08-29 Thread ranju radha
peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 4:43 PM OK, let me Neelan --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, S sanjeev [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: S sanjeev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups

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2008-08-29 Thread damodar prasad
, neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED]*wrote: From: neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 4:43 PM OK, let me Neelan --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, S

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2008-08-29 Thread ranju radha
in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 4:43 PM OK, let me Neelan --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, S sanjeev [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: S sanjeev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth

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2008-08-29 Thread ahmed rafeek j
in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 4:43 PM OK, let me Neelan --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, S sanjeev [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: S sanjeev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups

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2008-08-28 Thread Dileep Raj
. . Unlike what Dileep thinks, i am not resisting, i am trying ( yes trying ) to engage.And here i retreat. Neelan --- On Wed, 27/8/08, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups

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2008-08-28 Thread neelan neelakandan
Lenin anganeyokke paranjittundo??? neelan --- On Thu, 28/8/08, Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, 28 August, 2008, 4:25 PM Dear

[GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups

2008-08-28 Thread ranju radha
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, 28 August, 2008, 4:25 PM Dear Neelan, Hope we will meet soon in another thread (randadi pinnott, oradi munnott enno matto alle Lenin paranjathu

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2008-08-28 Thread Dileep Raj
: From: damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 6:26 PM Well. that's why you are here uninhibited by a primordial self. Thats why conversing becomes fruitful

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2008-08-28 Thread ranju radha
] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, 28 August, 2008, 4:25 PM Dear Neelan, Hope we will meet soon in another thread (randadi pinnott, oradi munnott enno matto alle Lenin paranjathu?) Cheers! On Thu

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2008-08-28 Thread neelan neelakandan
] wrote: From: Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, 28 August, 2008, 8:06 PM :) Dear Neelan, Oradi pinnott, Randadi munnott ennano ennu samsayamundu! (Guerilla samarathandram

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2008-08-28 Thread neelan neelakandan
??? neelan --- On Thu, 28/8/08, Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, 28 August, 2008, 4:25 PM    Dear Neelan, Hope we will meet soon

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2008-08-28 Thread Dileep Raj
: Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, 28 August, 2008, 8:06 PM :) Dear Neelan, Oradi pinnott, Randadi munnott ennano ennu samsayamundu! (Guerilla samarathandram...?) Randayalum

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2008-08-27 Thread C.K. Vishwanath
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Cc: sanil v [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 9:33 AM I am not a dalit , but not by my personal choice. Neelan --- On Tue, 26/8/08, Dileep Raj [EMAIL

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2008-08-27 Thread neelan neelakandan
, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 2:31 PM Well, Neelan sir you are very forthcoming. Caste in not a choice

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2008-08-27 Thread damodar prasad
. Its something like disarming one! I dont want to go autobiographical in a public domain. Neelan --- On *Wed, 27/8/08, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth

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2008-08-27 Thread Bobby Kunhu
: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 2:31 PM Well, Neelan sir you are very forthcoming. Caste in not a choice of anyone unless we believe in some im-mmaterial divinity (material divinity is also

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2008-08-27 Thread Dileep Raj
PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 2:31 PM Well, Neelan sir you are very forthcoming. Caste in not a choice of anyone unless we believe in some im-mmaterial divinity (material

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2008-08-27 Thread neelan neelakandan
] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 6:26 PM Well. that's why you are here uninhibited by a primordial self. Thats why conversing becomes fruitful without developing any attrition

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2008-08-26 Thread Dileep Raj
Let me suggest n academic exercise for those interested/involved in social scientific studies of media. Can you check whether there is a SINGLE dalit member who is active in Fourth estate Critique? My hypothesis ( assumption , perhaps) is that there won't be any. And this is not a surprising

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2008-08-26 Thread damodar prasad
Hahhha.. Defeated discourses need some solacing. Solacing by the way of * Praak-ing. * multiple mode-praaking. Its all death by another name. And death or devastation, when people mourn parodying elegies in their country graveyard to resuscitate themselves, the *bingo w*ants only pie - as in

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2008-08-26 Thread neelan neelakandan
I am not a dalit , but not by my personal choice. Neelan --- On Tue, 26/8/08, Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: Greenyouth greenyouth@googlegroups.com Cc: sanil v [EMAIL PROTECTED

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2008-08-26 Thread Dileep Raj
PROTECTED] wrote: I am not a dalit , but not by my personal choice. Neelan --- On Tue, 26/8/08, Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: Greenyouth greenyouth@googlegroups.com Cc

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2008-08-26 Thread neelan neelakandan
Here again i am engaging, Dileep. confessional mode is your reading of it. I am engaging ofcourse. Neelan --- On Wed, 27/8/08, Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth