Re: [Gregorio-users] Oriscus shape

2014-08-17 Thread Grzegorz Rolek
On 16 Aug 2014, at 16:55, Sr. Maria Ruth OSB wrote: Maybe I discovered the solution: Solesmes follows, in his editions, Paris, lat. 12044 ms, a diastematic source that follows this simple criteria: oriscus shape is determined by the following note: - if the following note is higher,

Re: [Gregorio-users] Oriscus shape

2014-08-16 Thread Abbazia Mater Ecclesiae
Dear Friends, Maybe I discovered the solution: Solesmes follows, in his editions, Paris, lat. 12044 ms, a diastematic source that follows this simple criteria: oriscus shape is determined by the following note: - if the following note is higher, oriscus will be high right-pointed (what we called

Re: [Gregorio-users] Oriscus shape

2014-08-15 Thread Abbazia Mater Ecclesiae
Dear All, in books I have, oriscus shape depends just on graphic or editor's choice. The only difference I found is in H.P. Sandhofe Nocturnale, where salicus quassus and pes quassus have what we called oriscus auctus shape, otherwise oriscus is always written in non auctus form. In Christ, Sr.

Re: [Gregorio-users] Oriscus shape

2014-08-12 Thread Grzegorz Rolek
On 08 Aug 2014, at 21:28, Pierre Couderc wrote: Well, I see the point, it is interesting but I have no comment: I feel to be not enough competant... I'm not competent enough either, but I just skimmed both Apel's and Hiley's monographs on plainchant (Hiley's Western Plainchant, not the later

[Gregorio-users] Oriscus shape

2014-08-06 Thread Olivier Berten
Hi! I just noticed while checking some files on GregoBase that Solesmes' oriscus looks much more like Gregorio's oriscus auctus... should we encode them as oriscus or oriscus auctus? or should we change the shape of the oriscus in Gregorio? http://gregobase.selapa.net/chant.php?id=4232

Re: [Gregorio-users] Oriscus shape

2014-08-06 Thread Olivier Berten
They are mirrored: http://home.gna.org/gregorio/gabc/#onenote Oriscus is (go), oriscus auctus is (go) 2014-08-06 23:16 GMT+02:00 Conor Cook conor.p.c...@gmail.com: What distinguishes the oriscus and oriscus auctus? (Just personal curiousity.) ~Conor Cook On Aug 6, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Olivier

Re: [Gregorio-users] Oriscus shape

2014-08-06 Thread Henry So Jr.
I guess it depends on whether you believe (or whether under GregoBase guidelines -- which I can't seem to find anywhere) gabc is encoding the intent of the music or the visual representation of a particular edition of the music. If the former, oriscus should be encoded as o in the gabc, whether

Re: [Gregorio-users] Oriscus shape

2014-08-06 Thread Henry So Jr.
Given the introduction to the Antiphonale Monasticum available at the first posted URL, I (given my position earlier in this thread) would definitely encode this as o since the book is making no specific distinction. Regards, Henry On Wednesday, 06 August 2014 at 11:13:24 pm +0200, Olivier

Re: [Gregorio-users] Oriscus shape

2014-08-06 Thread Pierre Couderc
On 08/06/2014 11:33 PM, Henry So Jr. wrote: the Antiphonale Monasticum (1934) (...). I do not have this book, so I cannot look through it, Please note that you have this book. Please go in gregowiki http://gregoriochant.org seach in resources the link Gradualia et Antiphonarii

Re: [Gregorio-users] Oriscus shape

2014-08-06 Thread Home
Point taken. However, in this case, the glyph desired (let's call it a pre-1985 oriscus) is not available in Greciliae. The pre-1985 oriscus and the gabc o glyph both represent an oriscus, just in two typefaces. The pre-1985 oriscus looks like neither the gabc o glyph nor the gabc o glyph.

Re: [Gregorio-users] Oriscus shape

2014-08-06 Thread Grzegorz Rolek
On 06 Aug 2014, at 23:56, Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu wrote: The strength of gregorio is that it is independent of any camp. It tries to be able to reproduce any book. Not to choose what is is the good book or the good way. You can produce what you want with gregorio. Being able to