Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century?

2008-01-20 Thread Catherine Olanich Raymond
On Saturday 19 January 2008, Heather Rose Jones wrote: On Jan 19, 2008, at 9:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love the huge wide belts with enormous buckles. I've never noticed them before...such wide ones [that orange quilted one in the 1st pic is fantastic!] and worn in this style

Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century?

2008-01-19 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 1/18/2008 7:56:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Barthel_Bruyn_3.png http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bartholom%C3%A4us_Bruyn_d._%C3%84._003 .jpg I love the huge wide belts with

[h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century?

2008-01-18 Thread Saragrace Knauf
Ah Ha! http://www.museothyssen.org/thyssen_ing/coleccion/obras_ficha_zoom605.html I suppose one could argue this isn't a shirt, but I've never seen an under dress with this kind of cuff... Sg FYI - If you ever need a hi res picture of this collection, they are very helpful...a few years

Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century?

2008-01-18 Thread Sharon L. Krossa
At 6:55 AM -0700 1/18/08, Saragrace Knauf wrote: Ah Ha! http://www.museothyssen.org/thyssen_ing/coleccion/obras_ficha_zoom605.html I suppose one could argue this isn't a shirt, but I've never seen an under dress with this kind of cuff... The portrait shows the garment as being lined, however

Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century?

2008-01-18 Thread Ron Carnegie
20th century, for european use. - Original Message - From: Saragrace Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:47 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century? Fair enough, but I don't think

Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century?

2008-01-18 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 1/18/2008 3:56:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone know when shirt became applicable to over the underwear rather than the first layer? Well, it depends on whether it's cold or not, I would think. And, y'know,

Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century?

2008-01-18 Thread Marie Stewart
It could be a 'waistcoat' , sometimes called a 'shirt' in inventories, meaning a layer for warmth. Usually you find them as flannen, flannel, rarely lined silk, or sometimes linsey-woolsey, other materials are possible, I'm just not at my resources. 2cents reading out of context. Mari On Jan

Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century?

2008-01-18 Thread Ron Carnegie
You do get colored shirts in the 19th century, but they are still underwear. Meant to be worn under other clothing. Ron Carnegie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts

Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century?

2008-01-18 Thread michaela de bruce
Ah Ha! http://www.museothyssen.org/thyssen_ing/coleccion/obras_ficha_zoom605.html I suppose one could argue this isn't a shirt, but I've never seen an under dress with this kind of cuff... This type of sleeve appears quite often in dress of Cologne. They are separate sleeves (and here are

Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century?

2008-01-18 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 1/18/2008 1:51:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This appears to be false sleeves and not sleeves of a hemd. *** Indeed. I mean it's lined in red. Does that sound like a shirt or chimese? **Start the year off right.

Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century?

2008-01-18 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 1/18/2008 1:58:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3. In a book I have about the Throckmortons (but I'm at the office, not at home, of course), a gentleman's letter to his factor requests a certain amount of tawney fabric for a shirt. Whether we are

Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century?

2008-01-18 Thread MaggiRos
I have in my search for documentation on this subject found 3, count'em, 3, but they're sketchy as evidence goes. 1. King Edward VI's coronation shirtwas crimson or scarlet (I forget which, but it was red). Presumably this is not a good dample for the rest of us, since a) he was a king and b) it

Re: [h-cost] Found it! - Colored shirts in the 16th century?

2008-01-18 Thread Chris Laning
Sharon wrote: At 6:55 AM -0700 1/18/08, Saragrace Knauf wrote: Ah Ha! http://www.museothyssen.org/thyssen_ing/coleccion/obras_ficha_zoom605.html I suppose one could argue this isn't a shirt, but I've never seen an under dress with this kind of cuff... The portrait shows the garment as being