Re: timeframe for mid-level decissions

2005-05-22 Thread Tom Tromey
Jakob == Jakob Praher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2. Performance. The result has to be reasonable competitive performance wise. E.g., starting eclipse has to be reasonable both in time and space. Jakob How are doing with gcj in this direction? I'm not sure I understand. We do ok right now

Re: timeframe for mid-level decissions

2005-05-21 Thread Jakob Praher
hi Tom, Tom Tromey wrote: Jakob == Jakob Praher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jakob do we want to build something that competes with sun j2se/mono on the Jakob desktop side (gnome/redhat would be interested in that) I don't speak for Red Hat, but I can explain a little about why we ship gcj

Re: timeframe for mid-level decissions

2005-05-21 Thread Jakob Praher
hi Geir, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On May 19, 2005, at 8:18 AM, Jakob Praher wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On May 19, 2005, at 5:24 AM, Jakob Praher wrote: Both of these are conventional expectations, and we can meet this via pluggability, right? If you have for instance completly

Re: timeframe for mid-level decissions

2005-05-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: timeframe for mid-level decissions From the llvm web site: LLVM does not currently support garbage collection of multi-threaded programs or GC-safe points other than function calls, but these will be added in the future as there is interest. I

Re: timeframe for mid-level decissions

2005-05-20 Thread Jakob Praher
hi David, thanks for pointing that out. I haven't looked into the application but, some notes from my side. David Griffiths wrote: From the llvm web site: LLVM does not currently support garbage collection of multi-threaded programs or GC-safe points other than function calls, but these will

Re: timeframe for mid-level decissions

2005-05-20 Thread Tom Tromey
Jakob == Jakob Praher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jakob do we want to build something that competes with sun j2se/mono on the Jakob desktop side (gnome/redhat would be interested in that) I don't speak for Red Hat, but I can explain a little about why we ship gcj and not other VMs. In addition

Re: timeframe for mid-level decissions

2005-05-20 Thread Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen
Tom Tromey wrote: 3. Debugging. There has to be some debugger story. Harmony would have to excel on all of these before I would even consider, say, recommending it for FC. This is an important point. If the VM should be usable for a developer it must support debugging. If it is to be

Re: timeframe for mid-level decissions

2005-05-19 Thread Jakob Praher
I've put some corrections in, so that its more understandable. Jakob Praher wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On May 19, 2005, at 5:24 AM, Jakob Praher wrote: I don't understand Take classpath project. It aims at working accross open vms. So you have to build a glue layer between what is

Re: timeframe for mid-level decissions

2005-05-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On May 19, 2005, at 8:18 AM, Jakob Praher wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On May 19, 2005, at 5:24 AM, Jakob Praher wrote: - do we want to concentrate on the server side (jikes rvm would probably be fine for that) - for instance: no startup issues - do we want to build something that competes

FW: timeframe for mid-level decissions

2005-05-19 Thread Renaud BECHADE
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RE: timeframe for mid-level decissions

2005-05-19 Thread Renaud BECHADE
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