Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-19 Thread Wolfgang Jeltsch
Am Mittwoch, 18. März 2009 13:31 schrieben Sie: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 04:36, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote: Am Mittwoch, 18. März 2009 10:03 schrieb Benjamin L.Russell: Just go through the list, choose your top favorite, and assign rank 1 to it; Is rank 1 the best or the worst? The

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-19 Thread Wolfgang Jeltsch
Am Donnerstag, 19. März 2009 03:53 schrieb Benjamin L.Russell: Therefore, rank 1 is the best. This is quite the opposite of what Denis Bueno said. :-( Best wishes, Wolfgang ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-19 Thread Colin Paul Adams
Wolfgang == Wolfgang Jeltsch g9ks1...@acme.softbase.org writes: Wolfgang Am Mittwoch, 18. März 2009 13:31 schrieben Sie: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 04:36, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote: Am Mittwoch, 18. März 2009 10:03 schrieb Benjamin L.Russell: Just go through the list, choose your

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-19 Thread Eelco Lempsink
On 19 mrt 2009, at 11:39, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote: Am Mittwoch, 18. März 2009 13:31 schrieben Sie: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 04:36, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote: Am Mittwoch, 18. März 2009 10:03 schrieb Benjamin L.Russell: Just go through the list, choose your top favorite, and assign rank 1 to it;

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-19 Thread Thomas Davie
On 19 Mar 2009, at 11:39, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote: Am Mittwoch, 18. März 2009 13:31 schrieben Sie: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 04:36, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote: Am Mittwoch, 18. März 2009 10:03 schrieb Benjamin L.Russell: Just go through the list, choose your top favorite, and assign rank 1 to

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-19 Thread Cetin Sert
37Lenny222 Just noticed that this logo is way too similar to the logo of Techsmith: http://www.techsmith.com/ Regards, CS 2009/3/19 Eelco Lempsink ee...@lempsink.nl On 19 mrt 2009, at 11:39, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote: Am Mittwoch, 18. März 2009 13:31 schrieben Sie: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-19 Thread Deniz Dogan
IANAL, so would this a problem if this logo won? Deniz 2009/3/19 Cetin Sert cetin.s...@gmail.com: 37Lenny222 Just noticed that this logo is way too similar to the logo of Techsmith: http://www.techsmith.com/ Regards, CS 2009/3/19 Eelco Lempsink ee...@lempsink.nl On 19 mrt 2009, at

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-19 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On 2009 Mar 19, at 13:12, Deniz Dogan wrote: IANAL, so would this a problem if this logo won? Legally, only if Techsmith complained. Practically, I would wonder about the possibility of confusion. -- brandon s. allbery [solaris,freebsd,perl,pugs,haskell] allb...@kf8nh.com system

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-19 Thread Richard Kelsall
Deniz Dogan wrote: IANAL, so would this a problem if this logo won? Not necessarily. The Lenny222 entry is distinctly multicoloured unlike TechSmith's which might distinguish it. Trademarks may only apply to a particular industrial sector or geographical region. TechSmith is in computer

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-19 Thread Denis Bueno
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 04:42, Wolfgang Jeltsch g9ks1...@acme.softbase.org wrote: Am Donnerstag, 19. März 2009 03:53 schrieb Benjamin L.Russell: Therefore, rank 1 is the best. This is quite the opposite of what Denis Bueno said. :-( Ugh, I'm sorry about this. I've participated in several

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-18 Thread Benjamin L . Russell
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:24:28 +0100, Heinrich Apfelmus apfel...@quantentunnel.de wrote: [...] Thanks for organizing this, finally I can choose ... Oh my god! How am I supposed to make a vote? Actually, I found the voting process to be fairly straightforward and trivial. Just go through the

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-18 Thread Benjamin L . Russell
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:58:12 +0100, Karel Gardas karel.gar...@centrum.cz wrote: Sorry for newcomer silly question, but where is the voting page located? Each voter is assigned a private URL encoding a key for voting. You should have receive a vote in a message entitled CIVS Poll now available

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-18 Thread Wolfgang Jeltsch
Am Dienstag, 17. März 2009 16:55 schrieb Eelco Lempsink: We'll see. Worst case: nobody votes (with 123 votes at this moment, I don't think that will be the problem). Second worst case: most people don't have/take the time to order a bit, so it turns into a majority vote. Or there are many

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-18 Thread Wolfgang Jeltsch
Am Mittwoch, 18. März 2009 10:03 schrieb Benjamin L.Russell: Just go through the list, choose your top favorite, and assign rank 1 to it; Is rank 1 the best or the worst? I thought it would be the worst so I would probably have voted exactly the opposite way than I wanted to. :-( Best

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-18 Thread Wolfgang Jeltsch
Am Dienstag, 17. März 2009 21:08 schrieb Robin Green: However, I am now hacking together a quick-and-dirty utility for ranking things which I will put on hackage. I'm not sure that anyone other than myself will use it, but it's fun hacking it up. If you announce it on the mailing list, I might

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-18 Thread Wolfgang Jeltsch
Am Mittwoch, 18. März 2009 03:22 schrieb Robin Green: I'm afraid it is entirely terminal-based (i.e. text only), so it doesn't show the pictures. Hmm, this doesn’t help me since I’ve already written a terminal-based app. See attachement. However, no guarantees that this app works as intended.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-18 Thread Robin Green
Firstly, apologies to everyone for sending the same message to the list five times, yesterday! The mailserver I use kept timing out, and I had thought that my mail client would handle attempts to resend an email appropriately, but apparently not. Time to put a paper bag over my head! On Wed, 18

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-18 Thread Benjamin L . Russell
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:36:15 +0100, Wolfgang Jeltsch g9ks1...@acme.softbase.org wrote: Am Mittwoch, 18. Marz 2009 10:03 schrieb Benjamin L.Russell: Just go through the list, choose your top favorite, and assign rank 1 to it; Is rank 1 the best or the worst? On your voting page referenced in a

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-17 Thread Heinrich Apfelmus
Eelco Lempsink wrote: Hi there! I updated a couple of logo versions and ungrouped and regrouped the (former) number 31. Other than that, there was nothing standing in the way of the voting to begin imho, so I started up the competition. By now, I suppose everybody should have received

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-17 Thread Robin Green
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:24:28 +0100 Heinrich Apfelmus apfel...@quantentunnel.de wrote: A simple majority vote is clearly inadequate for this vote, but I'm afraid that without assisting technology (instant and visual feedback), the voting process will more or less deteriorate to that due to the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-17 Thread Thomas Davie
On 17 Mar 2009, at 15:24, Heinrich Apfelmus wrote: Eelco Lempsink wrote: Hi there! I updated a couple of logo versions and ungrouped and regrouped the (former) number 31. Other than that, there was nothing standing in the way of the voting to begin imho, so I started up the competition.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-17 Thread Robin Green
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:11:54 +0100 Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree that the UI for voting is not the best I've ever seen. On the other hand, it's pretty easy to select the few logos that you like, and push them all to the top, select the ones you'd accept, and

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-17 Thread Robin Green
I am also concerned that the default behaviour of the buttons will lead to arbitrary preference rankings favouring those with entries that start more towards the top or bottom of the list. You shouldn't have to go to a lot of extra effort to create a tie between several entries, if you can't

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-17 Thread Rick R
And we thought butterfly ballots were bad. I just went through the logo page and wrote down my favorite 20 logos in one column, and gave them a rank in the other. Then translated that into the voting list using the combo boxes (not the buttons). The total process took 20 minutes. I am on FF3 on

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-17 Thread Eelco Lempsink
On 17 mrt 2009, at 15:24, Heinrich Apfelmus wrote: Eelco Lempsink wrote: I updated a couple of logo versions and ungrouped and regrouped the (former) number 31. Other than that, there was nothing standing in the way of the voting to begin imho, so I started up the competition. Thanks for

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-17 Thread Eelco Lempsink
On 17 mrt 2009, at 16:33, Rick R wrote: I just went through the logo page and wrote down my favorite 20 logos in one column, and gave them a rank in the other. Then translated that into the voting list using the combo boxes (not the buttons). The total process took 20 minutes. Yeah, the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-17 Thread Daniel Schüssler
Hi, Even worse, the buttons for moving items up and down are buggy - at least on my browser (Firefox 3.1 beta 2 on Linux). They sometimes reorder my other votes! Even assuming that the list box code is not buggy (which I now doubt), not being able to use the buttons makes this form almost

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-17 Thread Daniel Schüssler
(correction of the example) (105: ) (106: A) (107: X,B) (108: C,D) (109: E ) (110: ) moving down X will result in either (105: A) (106: B) (107: X ) (108: C,D) (109: E ) (110: ) or equivalently (105: ) (106: A) (107: B ) (108: X ) (109: C,D) (110: E)

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-17 Thread Rick R
QED 2009/3/17 Daniel Schüssler anotheraddr...@gmx.de (correction of the example) (105: ) (106: A) (107: X,B) (108: C,D) (109: E ) (110: ) moving down X will result in either (105: A) (106: B) (107: X ) (108: C,D) (109: E ) (110: ) or equivalently (105: ) (106: A) (107: B )

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-17 Thread Daniel Schüssler
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 21:03:21 Rick R wrote: QED Hmm? Maybe if confusingness was to be demonstrated, but not bugginess. Both possibilities will result in the same total preordering (defined by (x `betterThanOrEq` y) iff (numberInCombobox x = numberInCombobox y)), and (AFAIK) only this

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-17 Thread Ian Lynagh
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 04:03:21PM -0400, Rick R wrote: QED Only relative ordering matters for condorcet, not the absolute rank. e.g., ranking A, B and C rank 1, and D, E and F rank 6 is exactly the same as ranking e.g., ranking A, B and C rank 2, and D, E and F rank

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-17 Thread Robin Green
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:34:12 +0100 Daniel Schüssler anotheraddr...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, Even worse, the buttons for moving items up and down are buggy - at least on my browser (Firefox 3.1 beta 2 on Linux). They sometimes reorder my other votes! Even assuming that the list box code is not

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-17 Thread Robin Green
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:34:12 +0100 Daniel Schüssler anotheraddr...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, Even worse, the buttons for moving items up and down are buggy - at least on my browser (Firefox 3.1 beta 2 on Linux). They sometimes reorder my other votes! Even assuming that the list box code is not

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-17 Thread Robin Green
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:34:12 +0100 Daniel Schüssler anotheraddr...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, Even worse, the buttons for moving items up and down are buggy - at least on my browser (Firefox 3.1 beta 2 on Linux). They sometimes reorder my other votes! Even assuming that the list box code is not

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-17 Thread Robin Green
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:34:12 +0100 Daniel Schüssler anotheraddr...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, Even worse, the buttons for moving items up and down are buggy - at least on my browser (Firefox 3.1 beta 2 on Linux). They sometimes reorder my other votes! Even assuming that the list box code is not

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-17 Thread Sebastian Sylvan
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Heinrich Apfelmus apfel...@quantentunnel.de wrote: Eelco Lempsink wrote: Hi there! I updated a couple of logo versions and ungrouped and regrouped the (former) number 31. Other than that, there was nothing standing in the way of the voting to begin

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-17 Thread Robin Green
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:34:12 +0100 Daniel Schüssler anotheraddr...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, Even worse, the buttons for moving items up and down are buggy - at least on my browser (Firefox 3.1 beta 2 on Linux). They sometimes reorder my other votes! Even assuming that the list box code is not

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-17 Thread Richard O'Keefe
The main problems I had with the voting system were (1) In order to choose a rank, I had to scroll *up* over 100+ unwanted ranks. If only the scrolling started at the *top* -- for the simple reason that few people will want to rank all 113 choices, so almost all of the ranks

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell Logo Voting has started!

2009-03-17 Thread Ashley Yakeley
There are larger versions of most of them here: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell_logos/New_logo_ideas 30 should probably have been split up by typeface. My votes: 68, 58, 59, 30, 6, 61, 3, 37, 34, 36, rest. I had trouble choosing between my top four. Note that votes cannot be