HOgg 0.3.0 Released
---
The HOgg package provides a commandline tool for manipulating Ogg files,
and a corresponding Haskell library. HOgg is in hackage, or on the web at:
http://www.kfish.org/~conrad/software/hogg/
This is the second public release. The focus is on
Hi,
I am reading data from a file as strict bytestrings and processing
them in an iteratee. As the parsing code uses Data.Binary, the
strict bytestrings are then converted to lazy bytestrings (using
fromWrap which Gregory Collins posted here in January:
-- | wrapped bytestring - lazy bytestring
On 28 July 2010 23:32, Gregory Collins g...@gregorycollins.net wrote:
Conrad Parker con...@metadecks.org writes:
Hi,
I am reading data from a file as strict bytestrings and processing
them in an iteratee. As the parsing code uses Data.Binary, the
strict bytestrings are then converted
On 29 July 2010 17:46, Duncan Coutts duncan.cou...@googlemail.com wrote:
On 29 July 2010 07:53, Conrad Parker con...@metadecks.org wrote:
Something smells fishy here. I have a hard time believing that binary is
reading more input than is available? Could you post more code please?
The issue
On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 11:36:00PM +0100, Neil Mitchell wrote:
Hi
The field you want is data-files, documented in section 2.1.1 of the
Cabal User's Guide.
That looks perfect. Is there any reason that Alex doesn't use this? I
was trying to learn by example.
Perhaps because Alex predates
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 12:10:21PM +, Wouter Swierstra wrote:
* License: The entire magazine should be published under a
Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 License. This makes it much easier
to publish, distribute, teach, and share the Reader. This license
allows anyone to use
HOgg 0.2.0 Released
---
The HOgg package provides a commandline tool for manipulating Ogg files,
and a corresponding Haskell library.
http://snapper.kfish.org/~conrad/software/hogg/
This is the initial public release. The focus is on correctness of Ogg
parsing and production.
On 15/12/06, Nicolas Frisby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... That's not to say it was the poster's fault: any question is
a good question.
I agree ...
2) The welcome to the mailing list message could say if you're
new to Haskell, please check this FAQ first. I'm talking big letters
here; I'd
On 28/01/07, Donald Bruce Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've added raw primitives for:
{put,get}Wordhost
{put,get}Word16host
{put,get}Word32host
{put,get}Word64host
which do unaligned, host-sized, host-endian packing of data.
Writing is some 15% faster for Words, a bit
On 14/02/07, Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.krugle.com/
Nice :-)
Unlike Google, you can specify Haskell as a language.
Google CodeSearch is pretty handy though:
http://www.google.com/codesearch?q=lang%3Ahaskell
it seems to return code with good relevence, and can
On 20 August 2010 06:29, wren ng thornton w...@freegeek.org wrote:
John Millikin wrote:
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 23:33, Jason Dagit da...@codersbase.com wrote:
The main reason I would use iteratees is for performance reasons. To
help
me, as a potential consumer of your library, could you
On 24 August 2010 14:14, Jason Dagit da...@codersbase.com wrote:
I'm not a semanticist, so I apologize right now if I say something stupid or
incorrect.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Conal Elliott co...@conal.net wrote:
So perhaps this could be a reasonable semantics?
Iteratee a =
On 24 August 2010 14:47, Jason Dagit da...@codersbase.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Conrad Parker con...@metadecks.org
wrote:
On 24 August 2010 14:14, Jason Dagit da...@codersbase.com wrote:
I'm not a semanticist, so I apologize right now if I say something
stupid
Very!
On Sep 8, 2010 4:45 AM, Jeff Rubard jeffrub...@gmail.com wrote:
Do U like combinatory logic - or lambda calculus?
It still matters, or something.
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On 15 September 2010 04:31, Jonathan Geddes geddes.jonat...@gmail.com wrote:
Wow, I had no idea there were so many record packages! This indicates a
couple things to me: a) Haskell is very flexible. b) I'm not the only one
who things the built-in record system isn't perfect.
Digging a bit
On 17 September 2010 10:12, Ben Millwood hask...@benmachine.co.uk wrote:
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17 September 2010 03:18, Henning Thielemann
My suggestion is to move the Unsafe modules to a new package 'unsafe'.
Then you can
On 17 September 2010 15:47, Michael Snoyman mich...@snoyman.com wrote:
Hi cafe,
I mentioned yesterday that I was planning on building haskellers.com.
The first technicality I considered was how login should work. There
are a few basic ideas:
* Username/password on the site. But who wants to
On 20 September 2010 11:18, Patrick Perry patpe...@gmail.com wrote:
Given that IEEE is actually a standards body and they have many
standards, wouldn't it be more appropriate to call this library
ieee754?
If it seems important to people, I'd be happy to change the name. I'm
not religious
On 21 September 2010 12:18, John Millikin jmilli...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 03:22, Daniel Fischer daniel.is.fisc...@web.de
wrote:
unsafeCoerce is not supposed to work for casts between Integral and
Floating types. If you try to unsafeCoerce# between unboxed types, say
(subject changed for easy filtering of flamebait, removed libraries@)
On 7 October 2010 10:45, Jason Dagit da...@codersbase.com wrote:
At the risk of starting a darcs vs. git discussion I have some
thoughts about the tension.
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Don Stewart d...@galois.com wrote:
On 14 October 2010 14:00, Michael Snoyman mich...@snoyman.com wrote:
As a side point, I'm wondering how I should let everyone know about
the new features on the site. Emailing the cafe each time would be
stupid (and spam);
but it's the main reason people are checking it out :) I reckon it's
ok
On 24 October 2010 20:09, Maciej Piechotka uzytkown...@gmail.com wrote:
Iteratee-compress provides compressing and decompressing enumerators
including flushing. Currently only gzip is provided but at least bzip
is planned.
Changes from previous version:
- Independent from zlib library
On 7 December 2010 13:42, Michael Snoyman mich...@snoyman.com wrote:
Hi all,
I've gotten a request for the mime-mail package that I'd like some
input on. Right now, there's the ability to fully specify whether or
not to base64-encode each part in a message, but the included
simpleMail
2008/11/27 Simon Peyton-Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
can you tell us about the most persuasive, fun application
you've encountered, for type families or functional dependencies?
Hi,
I certainly had fun with the Instant Insanity puzzle, in Monad.Reader issue 8:
2008/12/7 Gwern Branwen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Malcolm Wallace wrote:
(This point, incidentally, raises a hobbyhorse of mine - Google didn't
see the TMR haikus because they were in PDF.
How odd. Googling for haskell haiku TMR brings up that PDF as the first
hit
On 13/03/07, Wolfgang Jeltsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am Montag, 12. März 2007 03:52 schrieb Donald Bruce Stewart:
* [41]Why Publish CS Papers Without Code?
41. http://billmill.org/why_no_code
Interesting!
This leads me to the question how copyright of code fragments included in
On 25/05/07, Isaac Dupree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Donald Bruce Stewart wrote:
Finally, a very exciting aspect of this project is that O'Reilly has
agreed to publish chapters online, under a Creative Commons License!
Neat! Which one? (see e.g. Creative Commons in
On 28/05/07, Donald Bruce Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Our small little window manager, xmonad, also has a pretty strict style guide.
where? Perhaps I need coffee, but I couldn't find this in the source
(xmonad, x11-extras, XMonadContrib) or documentation links from
xmonad.org :-/
Conrad.
On 08/07/07, Neil Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi
Looks like there's too many packages on hackage.haskell.org now for a
single page listing:
http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/pkg-list.html
Perhaps we can have a page with just the categories, with subpages
hanging off?
2009/2/12 Don Stewart d...@galois.com:
Thanks for the analysis, this clarifies things greatly.
Feasibility and scope is a big part of how we determine what projects to
work on.
I agree that it's beyond the scope of a SoC project.
Rather than H.263 or H.264 I was going to suggest
On 24 January 2011 07:29, John Millikin jmilli...@gmail.com wrote:
Patch done and sent to the bytestring maintainers. For the interested,
here's the benchmark chart for binary, cereal, and
blaze-builder/bytestring:
http://i.imgur.com/xw3TL.png
Can has units?
Conrad.
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011
On 31 January 2011 21:40, Francesco Mazzoli f...@mazzo.li wrote:
Francesco Mazzoli f at mazzo.li writes:
At the end I gave up and I wrote the function myself:
http://hpaste.org/43464/readbitmapfile
cool ... the listed maintainer for the Xlib bindings is
librar...@haskell.org. Perhaps you
On 1 April 2011 10:48, Kazu Yamamoto k...@iij.ad.jp wrote:
Hello cafe,
Let me announce a maintenance command of Haskell cabal packages.
http://www.mew.org/~kazu/proj/cab/en/
cab is a MacPorts-like maintenance command of Haskell cabal
packages. Some part of this program is a
On 20 April 2011 05:55, Andrew Coppin andrewcop...@btinternet.com wrote:
On 17/04/2011 11:29 AM, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
Hi all,
Trac pages aren't rendering correctly. It seems the HTTP server
can't find the CSS files. See below.
Cheers,
Erik
I'm glad it's not just me. Any danger of
On 21 April 2011 05:34, Andrew Coppin andrewcop...@btinternet.com wrote:
I notice that there's duplicate reports of the HTML documentation in the
Haskell Platform having chunks missing
Which ticket numbers are these? Trac allows one of them to be closed
as a duplicate. Perhaps you can do
On 23 April 2011 19:29, Maciej Piechotka uzytkown...@gmail.com wrote:
Iteratee-compress provides compressing and decompressing enumerators
including flushing (using John Lato's implementation). Currently only
gzip and bzip is provided but LZMA is planned.
Changes from previous version:
-
On 28 April 2011 23:39, Dmitry Olshansky olshansk...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
does somewhere exist function with type like this - manyToOne :: [Iteratee a
m b] - Iteratee a m [b] ?
I.e. I need to process one input through many Iteratees indepentently in
constant space and collect results.
On 24 June 2011 02:24, Rogan Creswick cresw...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Simon Michael si...@joyful.com wrote:
On 6/23/11 10:49 AM, Iustin Pop wrote:
FYI, a regular link (though longer) seems more appropriate to me.
Don't know if other people feel the same though.
I
Hi Simon,
good stuff! this is the same approach that eg. git uses, it seems to
be quite flexible.
I did a similar thing for a C project called oggz a while back:
http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/ogg-dev/2008-August/001110.html
some other useful things you could add:
* a help subcommand
On 27 August 2011 00:23, Simon Michael si...@joyful.com wrote:
Thanks Conrad! Those are some great links.
I wrapped up some manpage generation code in a package called
ui-command, which is kind of orthogonal to cmdargs (ui-command just
deals with subcommands). Example commands are often
On Aug 29, 2011 9:39 PM, Michael Snoyman mich...@snoyman.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Gregory Collins
g...@gregorycollins.net wrote:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Michael Snoyman mich...@snoyman.com
wrote:
Hi all,
Erik just opened an issue on Github[1] that affected
On Sep 9, 2011 7:33 AM, mukesh tiwari mukeshtiwari.ii...@gmail.com
wrote:
Thank your for reply Daniel. Considering my limited knowledge of web
programming and javascript , first i need to simulated the some sort of
browser in my program which will run the javascript and will generate the
pdf.
2011/10/4 Román González romanand...@gmail.com:
Hey guys,
Right now I'm facing with a type problem that is really nasty, I want to
compose a list of enumeratees using the ($=) operator to create a new
enumerator. Whenever I'm trying to use the foldx function in conjunction
with ($=) I get
Hi Vincent,
great stuff!
I've also got an in-progress toy git clone called ght:
http://github.com/kfish/ght. It only reads, no write support and no
revspec parsing. I tried to keep close to the git design, using mmap
and Ptr-based binary search to read pack indices etc. Doing so seems
fairly
On 15 October 2011 23:18, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote:
On 16 October 2011 01:15, Bas van Dijk v.dijk@gmail.com wrote:
I agree that you shouldn't use ByteStrings or Vectors of Word8s for
Unicode strings. However I can imagine that for quick sessions in ghci
it can
On 17 October 2011 23:59, Captain Freako capn.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
In this excerpt from the `StateArrow' page:
runState :: Arrow a = StateArrow s a e b - a (e, s) (b, s)Source
what's the significance of having written StateArrow s a e b, instead of
StateArrow s a b c?
In the context of
On 22 October 2011 22:52, Bas van Dijk v.dijk@gmail.com wrote:
I released a new rss:
http://hackage.haskell.org//package/rss-3000.2.0
It no longer requires old-time and is tested with the latest versions
of its dependencies.
On 21 October 2011 17:34, Vincent Hanquez t...@snarc.org
On 24 October 2011 10:57, Daniel Fischer
daniel.is.fisc...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Monday 24 October 2011, 03:54:09, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
R J wrote:
hey Haskell this is nuts http://www.business10i.com
hey Haskell this is nuts ://xxx.xxx.xxx
Maybe its time to moderate all
Isn't the question just about packages included in the Haskell
Platform, for which The current set of [acceptable] licenses is just
the BSD3 license:
http://trac.haskell.org/haskell-platform/wiki/AddingPackages#Interimlicensepolicy
http://trac.haskell.org/haskell-platform/ticket/85
It might be
On 1 November 2011 03:43, Alexander Kjeldaas
alexander.kjeld...@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 October 2011 17:22, Yitzchak Gale g...@sefer.org wrote:
Gregory Crosswhite wrote:
could [Hackage] have a feature where when a
working package breaks with a new version of
GHC the author is
On Nov 1, 2011 8:45 PM, Daniel Díaz Casanueva dhelta.d...@gmail.com
wrote:
Then, the mailing list seems to be an option. But then I will receive
mails for every package, and there is a lot of packages! Is not a lot of
mails this? There is another work around?
Nobody would read every build
On 21 November 2011 22:36, Felipe Almeida Lessa felipe.le...@gmail.com wrote:
This doesn't directly solve your problem, but you may want to take a
look at zoom-cache [1]. I've never used it myself, but it seems
pretty nice.
Cheers,
[1] http://hackage.haskell.org/package/zoom-cache
Hi,
On 22 November 2011 13:22, Jeremy Shaw jer...@n-heptane.com wrote:
Sheep are generally thought of as:
- weak and needing protection
- easily lead astray
- being lead to the slaughter
- dumb and easily lost
Cool, so Haskell is made for people like me!
I think Haskeller's like Haskell
I wouldn't mind getting a lamb-astronaut tshirt with a lambda-bind
logo on it for my kid, and maybe next month a lion-skateboarder with a
lambda-bind on his deck, and then maybe something with a dinosaur.
I guess I don't really want a mascot either, but I like this artwork.
Conrad.
On 24
On 24 December 2011 05:47, Michael Craig mks...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been looking for a way to compose enumeratees in the enumerator
package, but I've come up with nothing so far. I want this function
(=$=) :: Monad m = Enumeratee a0 a1 m b - Enumeratee a1 a2 m b -
Enumeratee a0 a2 m b
I'm
On 14 January 2012 04:05, Johan Tibell johan.tib...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Simon Michael si...@joyful.com wrote:
Aha, thanks both.
The haskell organisation looks bigger, I think I'd like to upload feed
there. Could the owner add contact info or a how-to-join note
On 3 February 2012 06:30, Michael Craig mks...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm comfortable writing tests in QuickCheck and HUnit and bundling them as
optional executables with cabal, but I understand there's a better
way. Specifically, I'm looking at the test-framework package and cabal's
(newish)
On 3 February 2012 08:30, Johan Tibell johan.tib...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Conrad Parker con...@metadecks.org wrote:
I've followed what Johan Tibbell did in the hashable package:
If I had known how much confusion my childhood friends would unleash on the
Internet
On 15 February 2012 00:16, Ben Gamari bgamari.f...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:06:16 +, Duncan Coutts
duncan.cou...@googlemail.com wrote:
On 14 February 2012 01:53, Duncan Coutts duncan.cou...@googlemail.com
wrote:
Hi Ben,
snip
Ah, here's the link to my last go at
On 21 February 2012 14:57, Joey Adams joeyadams3.14...@gmail.com wrote:
I added a new package containing wrappers for getsockopt and setsockopt:
http://hackage.haskell.org/package/network-socket-options
The network package already has getSocketOption and setSocketOption.
The problem is,
On 24 February 2012 01:01, Joey Adams joeyadams3.14...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Johan Tibell johan.tib...@gmail.com wrote:
But the network package doesn't try to let you work with raw file
descriptors elsewhere (e.g. send and recv.) I'm not saying that
functions on
On 23 March 2012 04:55, Mark Wotton mwot...@gmail.com wrote:
Try Miku.
https://github.com/nfjinjing/miku
some oddnesses around redefining (-) (I guess Jinjing Wang doesn't like the
way $ looks?) but you don't need to import the Air.Light stuff.
Otherwise more or less a straight port of
On 25 May 2012 06:20, . ch.go...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hello Cafe,
since I haven't found anything like that, I wrote a small library [1] to
read from a webcam in Haskell, using V4L on Linux. It uses the v4l2
package and repa for images.
Is anyone interested in contributing to that, or giving
On 22 June 2012 12:54, Hilco Wijbenga hilco.wijbe...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I'm going through the excellent http://learnyouahaskell.com tutorial.
So far it's been pretty easy to follow but now I ran into something
that (when I later started reading about maps) do not seem to fully
grasp.
On 12 July 2012 06:19, Qi Qi qiqi...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I was wondering about creating an instance of MonadIO for a heap data.
Any hints?
data Heap a = E | T Int a (Heap a) (Heap a)
deriving (Eq, Ord, Read, Show)
The reason is that I want to use liftIO during a heapsort to print
On 16 August 2012 03:38, Bryan O'Sullivan b...@serpentine.com wrote:
Hi, folks -
I'm sure we are all familiar with the phrase cabal dependency hell at this
point, as the number of projects on Hackage that are intended to hack around
the problem slowly grows.
I am currently undergoing a
On 27 September 2012 14:51, Chris Wong chrisyco+haskell-c...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all
Some of you in the audience may have read Dave Keenan's paper, [To
Dissect a Mockingbird][]. A subset of that may have wondered if it was
possible to generate those pretty pictures programmatically. For
On 29 November 2012 01:08, Roman Beslik rabes...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi. There is more verbose page http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/IDEs . I
registered on http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/ , but have not found the
Delete Page command, wiki software help pages, or feedback channel, so I'm
On 23 January 2013 08:04, John Wiegley jo...@fpcomplete.com wrote:
monad-bool implements a pair of Boolean monoids and monads, to support
short-circuiting, value-returning computations similar to what Python and Ruby
offer with their native and || operators.
...
Use 'onlyIf' with AndM and
On 23 January 2013 09:25, John Wiegley jo...@fpcomplete.com wrote:
Conrad Parker con...@metadecks.org writes:
these sound powerful, but how would I do something esoteric like
if/elseIf/endIf ?
Can you show me an example of what you'd like to express?
Your examples look vaguely like
On 20 March 2013 06:58, Christopher Done chrisd...@gmail.com wrote:
From the paper Fun with Type Funs, it's said:
One compelling use of such type functions is to make type
coercions implicit, especially in arithmetic. Suppose we want to be able to
write add a b to add two numeric values a and
On 6 April 2013 01:57, John Wiegley jo...@fpcomplete.com wrote:
Johan Tibell johan.tib...@gmail.com writes:
I suggest that we implement an alternative haddock syntax that's a
superset
of Markdown.
Definite +1 from me too.
+1
Conrad.
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On 30 April 2013 09:28, Richard A. O'Keefe o...@cs.otago.ac.nz wrote:
On 29/04/2013, at 10:04 PM, kudah wrote:
On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 18:04:47 +1200 Richard A. O'Keefe
o...@cs.otago.ac.nz wrote:
so that there is no possibility of catching errors early;
by definition in that processor there
On 3 May 2013 08:53, Marcos Pividori marcospivid...@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings,
I am a Computer Science student from Argentina. I am interested in working
this summer in a project related to Haskell for the Google Summer of Code. I
have been discussing my idea with Michael Snoyman in order to
On 6 May 2013 09:42, Felipe Almeida Lessa felipe.le...@gmail.com wrote:
Just checking the repo wouldn't work. It may still have some activity
but not be maintained and vice-versa.
ok, how about this: if the maintainer feels that their repo and
maintenance activities are non-injective they can
On 11 May 2013 19:24, Ertugrul Söylemez e...@ertes.de wrote:
However, my real question hasn't been answered so far. Is my
formulation of the stream processing problem accurate/complete?
Yes, you've summarized the commonly asked questions well. Perhaps you
could make a wiki page which lists
On 28 May 2013 05:29, Alexander Solla alex.so...@gmail.com wrote:
As per recent discussions, I'm making a list of volunteers who are willing
to pick up some slack in Hackage package maintenance, so that we can submit
an amendment to the Haskell Prime Committee's ticket 113
On 29 May 2013 08:54, Lyndon Maydwell maydw...@gmail.com wrote:
How can I join the group?
by asking any of the current members :) I've added you.
P.S. I've attached a simple image for the Gravatar if it looks okay.
great, can you add it?
Conrad.
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Conrad
On 13 June 2013 09:59, Niklas Hambüchen m...@nh2.me wrote:
In many discussions we make guesses about how much code proposals like
Functor = Monad would break.
You can use https://github.com/dterei/Hackager to build all of Hackage
(preferably in a VM).
Of course many packages have external
On 24 June 2013 23:02, Mark Lentczner mark.lentcz...@gmail.com wrote:
Again, I'd say the sample doesn't bear that out. The samples with console
fonts showed no signs of customization, and so one might infer that it is
more likely that people are using them because they just came that way
On 15 July 2013 09:54, Joey Adams joeyadams3.14...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Clark Gaebel cgae...@uwaterloo.ca wrote:
Similarly, I've always used:
import qualified Data.HashSet as S
nub :: Hashable a = [a] - [a]
nub = S.toList . S.fromList
And i can't think of any
On 16 July 2013 10:31, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote:
On 16 July 2013 11:46, John Lato jwl...@gmail.com wrote:
In my tests, using unordered-containers was slightly slower than using Ord,
although as the number of repeated elements grows unordered-containers
appears to
Hi Conal!
Yes. I'd be very interested to help get Pan and Vertigo working. Do you
have a repo somewhere?
Conrad.
On 27 September 2013 13:32, Conal Elliott co...@conal.net wrote:
I'm polling to see whether there are will and expertise to reboot graphics
and GUIs work in Haskell. I miss
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