check it out.
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be harnessed by all Haskell programmers...
The best.
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cannot understand the
comments of Andrew Coppin. Which arbitrary set of conclusions?? Which
patently obvious results not derivable?? Be kind, give some examples,
otherwise people may suspect that you are issuing vacuous statements...
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, and avoid doing many unworthy
things.(DK 68 B 35)
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Perhaps somebody can say more about constraint languages which replaced
Prolog in some contexts as well.
Have fun.
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on them. For teaching they were much
more useful than mainframes.
But I am afraid that we got very far not only from Haskell, but also from
café.
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unavoidable.
Please be kind and cheerful. Don't attept to say to innocent that what
is on this picture
http://www.mansfield.ohio-state.edu/~sabedon/images/lambda_twins.jpg
are Dark Marks...
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hierarchy?... Stagnation is stagnation.
On a less serious tune: this what's so bad reasoning was the reason
why some political regimes could not progress and had to be destroyed.
Actually, it is not less serious...
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(*)) p
res = (sum .) . (zipWith (*))
Certainly it is a kind of madness, since is hardly readable, but it
is correct.
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found myself declaring type synonyms for this
reason, but you end up polluting the global namespace.
+1 vote.
Data with where?
You haven't heard about GADTs?
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Haskell/GADT
http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Generalised_algebraic_datatype
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Glorious Kingdom and Le Monde des
Ténèbres.
Yes, finding some *comparable* competitors would do much good. Some niches
are already occupied and busy, e.g., the domain where Erlang is strong. But
there is yet some mileage to go.
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...
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argument will
be typically much lower than the machine one.
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as a class member, serves
nobody. I would be happy to learn that I am mistaken, but if it is just
to save 5 seconds of a person who wants to pass smoothly between floating
numbers of single and double precision...
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in Haskell as well, probably many, many times.
But beware, Google on Haskell tries will offer you this:
http://www.muskogeephoenix.com/highschoolsports/local_story_281003617.html
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of the
transcendental functions in a class. This would really degrade the API.
What??
But it is just a numerical constant, no need to put it into a class, and
nothing to do with the type_classing of related functions. e is not
std. defined, and it doesn't kill people who use exponentials.
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overloaded pi and trigs in such a way
that a default could help you? Answer sincerely (if you wish to answer at
all...)
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* help, and would give the same
answer, but it would be much slower, so I would override it anyway.
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respect types seems to be
perhaps too strong (unless 'notation' means just the notation, which
doesn't respect anything), but the relation between mathematical domains
and the type system should one day be sanitized.
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such constructions, or worse...
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wording? If I ask why should I be a nice fellow, and you say that I am
a nice fellow, this makes me happy, but doesn't answer my question...
Mind you, we are discussing possible solutions, not just the status quo.
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of the
language, since many newbies will try to learn those useless quirks.
So, no default, and no class membership. But, as LA says, we can live with,
we have more important sorrows, all of us...
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the flavour of the Monosod... argh... Monadic
meals, it depends on your metabolism, and of your preferred table tools.
People enjoying the consumption of long, long spaghetti use rarely
chopstics, and prefer efficient forks like =, ===, etc.
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,
executed, etc. may not be true in general
I know that asking helpful humans is nicer than reading docs, but the latter
is usually more instructive, and often more efficient.
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whatever you wish, but avoid this fellow
A. Coppin, since he leads you nowhere.
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; let's help them instead of
shouting at them.
Of course, the repeated, ever and ever again questions mean that one day
it will be absolutely necessary to make a true FABQ, proposed a few times,
and still in statu nascendi...
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,
which are in a sense lazy objects).
Otherwise you will *never* get a taste of laziness. It is useful only if
it is comfortable.
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ok writes:
On 11 Oct 2007, at 1:00 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
An anonymous called ok writes:
I am not anonymous. That is my login and has been since 1979.
Oh, bother...
According to my imperfect knowledge of English, an anonymous is somebody
who doesn't sign his/her letters. And
.
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programming with effects, with an interesting discussion
*around* monads.
http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~ross/papers/Applicative.pdf
...
Ugh. I am afraid I began an infinite, corecursive strem. Perhaps it is
time to break it.
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not use continuations are often called in Direct Style. I think it can
be exported to Monads in general. State Monad in particular.
IO is different, you *cannot* make it non-monadic.
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might forget about the buzzword
Concurrent...) So, I know about unique *World, *FileSystem, *File, etc.,
I have used it for graphics and for generation of sound.
But I didn't find a way to use *really* this awful State# RealWorld in
Haskell! Somebody can show me some working examples?
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worlds, files, etc. in
Clean, but the reverse operation goes beyond my horizons.
Some examples, anybody?
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developers of Haskell
(whose names I have forgotten) doesn't count at all. Very interesting.
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Tim Newsham writes:
A tutorial on the Curry-Howard Correspondence in Haskell:
http://www.thenewsh.com/%7Enewsham/formal/curryhoward/
Feedback appreciated.
Did I miss it (then I apologize), or that tutorial doesn't even mention
Djinn (in which case the Author should).
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Felipe Lessa writes:
On 10/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
We shall thus understand that a teacher who likes Fibonacci, is a
representant of of the 100% of the human population.
Sorry if I didn't understand very well the tone of your message or if
I wasn't clear enough, however what I was trying to
of molecules of ink and other substances, whereas the
point exists as an abstraction only.
And you can die happy.
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everything.
Actually, I know many, many things myself as well.
Why should we waste time on discussions? We won't learn more...
=
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of W_P, and established protocols to solve disputes. And, remember
that already the invitation to editing says plainly that articles without
references are routinely removed.
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mind stating again what do you *ultimately*
want? A depth-first SEARCH of a goal node, if reachable, or the construction
of the spanning tree (through backtracking). You probably said that, but
I have probably missed that posting.
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important point elsewhere...
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function *really* of
that type is id.
People, use Djinn!
The slave of the Lamp of Alladenartson will send you to Walhalla if
you ask: what ? (a-a)-a
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Stefan O'Rear writes:
... Latex page sources are
infinitely superior to unadorned images of unknown providence.
Of course, most certainly!
But I failed to understand the relation to Wikipedia.
OK, I see. If you look at the sources, several pages have the img ...
accompagnied by the
to implement, and for programmers to use?
Check up Gofer of Mark Jones.
http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~mpj/goferarc/index.html
Choose your preferred version from:
http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/jones94implementation.html
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not born yet. OK, don't shout, I know I exaggerate...
What I found somehow funny, with all respect, is the combination: 20 years
ago, which means '87, and miserable 4M of memory. At that time 4M on a
personal computer was not so frequent, at least in Europe.
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[] [] where
pa (y:ys) s b | xy = pa ys s (y:b)
| otherwise = pa ys (y:s) b
pa [] s b = qs s (x:qs b ac) -- s- small; b- big; ac- buffer
qs [] ac = ac
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, this IS NOT what Peter V.
wants. He wants a specific pretty-printer *in Haskell*. This was most
probably a subject of many students' exercices...
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*,
and in particular data structures.
2. Please, DO code the above in C, using linked lists. Compare then.
3. Check the influence of bare printing, separated from the computation.
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Stefan O'Rear adds to the dialogue:
Prabhakar Ragde wrote:
Jerzy Karczmarczuk wrote:
Just a trivial comment... 1. Don't speak about comparing *languages* when
you compare *algorithms*,
and in particular data structures.
2. Please, DO code the above in C, using linked lists. Compare
?
I'm a beginning haskell developer and I'm still a bit confused
by the IO monad.
I have the impression that your problem has nothing to do do
with Haskell, you just rewrite your file, instead of appending to it.
But perhaps I didn't look correctly...
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are
not integers, they eat carrots and have long ears. They are real thing.
Hm.
Well, sqrt is Floating.
Now, floating rabbits are less common.
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literary tradition, Pingala is identified as the younger brother
of Panini... [who was a great grammarian from 4BC, and who - as some think
also invented a specific version of Italian hot sandwiches. This brings us
nearer to Leonardo Pisano].
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the homework for some
Haskell newbies who want to become famous.
Anyway, if somebody finds in his/her library The Fibonacci Quarterly, there
is therein most probably much more about this fascinating subject, essential
for our comprehension of the Universe, and of Phyllotaxis in particular.
Jerzy
? It isn't
difficult.
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size
increase as the Fibonacci numbers do.
Thank you once more!
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, I'll put it on my grave stone,
but hopefully not yet tomorrow.
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see it...
In addition, if you take an arbitrary message in FP design, hit reply,
... hopefully people with real e-mail clients will miss it.
Since I have no idea what a real mail client is, you will not frighten
me! My mail client is apparently complex.
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is explained everywhere, if you want to learn it. Start with
Wikipedia, of course...
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, we had to find some other usage of this
glue, so we glued his chair to the floor. After this hundred years they
still look for the culprit.
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Henning Thielemann writes:
?? Mathematica and MatLab are just the opposite of statically safe
programming.
Is this a religious statement, quite popular in our Church of Functionalism,
or you mean something concrete by that, and if yes, then what?
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of programs in Lisp (or Scheme), in
Smalltalk, etc. And now in Erlang...
I believe, and I teach that static typing is a good thing, but, please, you
are too young yet for sectarism...
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with
respect to them is, perhaps, not very promising.
Well, I acknowledge to everybody the right - of course - to bear some
religious beliefs. I have mine, sometimes very strong... But I have quite
a mileage to go before I feel ready to issue prophecies.
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,
-alex
Nos somos todos Brasileiros. Ou quase...
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, has more than two years.
Some people speculate about making Haskell on the Clean G-machine, others
think about Java-like architectures... The world *IS* steadily progressing,
no need to hahaha-dynamite an open door saying that the air is ripe
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#, ...).
... and, perhaps, playing not only with the pedagogy by contrast, but
also by similarities, to mention Clean.
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in Reverse Mode.
http://users.info.unicaen.fr/~karczma/arpap/revpearl.pdf
And, please, avoid saying that something is scary or difficult, unless
you are really sure.
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, obviously, but,
please, don't try to convince anybody that Haskell was the first language
with iterators...
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Coppin.
People, stop using this damned word: scare in the context of *learning*
something!
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Yitzchak Gale writes:
Haskell was not the first to have lazy lists, but Haskell
was an important part of the inspiration for introducing
them into Python.
Jerzy Karczmarczuk wrote:
Actually, I would *sincerely* like to see some reference proving that.
The Python Library Reference
concretely want, but don't try to say
that you don't like our submarine, because you want to ride on it to the
top of Mount Everest.
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apfelmus:
As Feynman put it: What do you care what other people think?
It was not Feynman, but his wife.
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Roberto Zunino writes:
without seq, there is no way to distinguish between undefined and (const
undefined),
no way to distinguish is perhaps too strong. They have slightly
different types.
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algebraic data types, ...
From your list, I agree to add some pattern matching abilities to mine,
but that it all.
Oh, it is anyway very generous of you. But tell me: do you *understand*
the remaining issues, notably the purity?
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PS. For Henning T.: Don't worry
, and you will be able to compute
2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^ (right assoc.) as well.
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that this was not what you meant, I will
be shocked.
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, infinitely small) time, quantum
system do it (in a sense) constantly.
Quantum behaviour is not an effect, but conditions our understanding of
*measurement*. We don't really know what is quantum information. So,
please, don't trivialize an awfully complicated problem.
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NOT LIE. It was the ancient tongue of
dragons.
Now we see why the dragons are extinct...
They were incompatible with the Democracy, AND with Computing Technology...
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logical variables.
If you don't want to see similarities, you won't. But I assure you that
I have profited enormously from tha *affinities* between functional and
logic approaches, and you won't convince me that declarative is without
substance.
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for the swearword -
... bottom.
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Albert Y. C. Lai writes:
Achim Schneider wrote:
There is this story about some military (US afair) training a neural
net to detect tanks in images
...
50% accuracy.
I have some similar stories to tell
A. ... students assumed
sin(x+y) = sin(x) + sin(y)
B. ... But that day, that car,
essence. I find it nicer than cheaters who try to convince
me that automata may fake human behaviour.
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Niko Korhonen writes:
...
Although it could be argued that laziness is the cause of some very
obscure bugs... g
Niko
Example, PLEASE.
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of behaviours when one passes
from Int to Integer, now, this is another story, worrying a little...
Thanks.
Perhaps another example is more relevant, the tradeoffs space-time in the
optimized version of the powerset generator...
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within the
compiler, but perhaps I am too naïve (which in general is true...)
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black
hole. Now, I think it just consumes the heap and/or stack. On my
2005-era Hugs, it causes a seg fault.
Strange, because blackohes are visible by the runtime.
Clean should say: Warning, cycle in spine detected, and stop.
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PS. Perhaps Simon decided to think more literally
. The result was
usually horrible...
The Num hierarchy in Haskell is bad, we know it, especially for people who
do some more formal mathematics. There are more interesting problems to
solve than organising a crusade against IEEE, illegalizing the Ord
instance for numbers, etc.
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. This is the
story, I hope nobody will shout that I have something against a particular
European nation; I know this story from a decent Berliner, who told me
it while eating a Hamburger. Or, perhaps it was vice-versa. Too much beer...
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to do it on
*your* machine, not on mine.
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to sort the order of the
creation of the results appropriately.
So, I agree wholeheartly with the statement that memoization is not a blind
automaton, it should be used consciously, and adapted to concrete needs.
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is here. Your 'car' picks the first element, or the empty
LIST. So, the first element of the argument also must be a list, not
a number, otherwise the type-checker yells.
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Jed Brown writes:
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If I define the follwoing functions:
car (x:_) = x
car [] = []
This won't typecheck. It helps to add a type signature
car :: [a] - a
Good will, wrong diagnosis. This WILL check.
car :: forall a. [[a]] - [a]
J.
, the pattern is a variable, not a constant.
Replace emptyBT by EmptyTree.
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