On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Michael G Schwern schw...@pobox.com wrote:
The only other instance I can think of is... damn I can't remember the name.
It's the one that makes URLs like /foo/bar/123,3598,235.html. You write in
Java and everything, even the templates, is stored in Oracle.
On May 14, 2012, at 12:00 AM, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
* Peter da Silva pe...@taronga.com [2012-05-14 02:45]:
* Imagining that there's some relationship between computer languages
and human languages.
* See COBOL
* See Perl
* Imagining that there's no relationship between computer
* Peter da Silva pe...@taronga.com [2012-05-14 02:45]:
* Imagining that there's some relationship between computer languages
and human languages.
* See COBOL
* See Perl
* Imagining that there's no relationship between computer languages and
linguistic cognition.
* Mathematical
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Aristotle Pagaltzis pagalt...@gmx.de wrote:
* Mathematical notation is ideal for programming!
See also: the thousands of new programmers confused by x = 5; not
meaning x is equal to 5, despite what they had learned in maths
class.
(I'm reminded of a BASIC
On 2012.5.13 11:06 PM, Philip Newton wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Michael G Schwern schw...@pobox.com wrote:
The only other instance I can think of is... damn I can't remember the name.
It's the one that makes URLs like /foo/bar/123,3598,235.html. You write in
Java and everything,
On 2012.5.13 11:18 PM, Numien wrote:
On 13/05/12 07:58 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote:
I can forgive Javascript of that because it has no file operations by (good)
design and thus no way to load other files.
Sure it does. See XMLHttpRequest the new HTML5 web storage, app cache, and
socket
On 2012-05-14, at 02:00, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
* Peter da Silva pe...@taronga.com [2012-05-14 02:45]:
* Imagining that there's some relationship between computer languages
and human languages.
* See COBOL
* See Perl
* Imagining that there's no relationship between computer languages
Peter da Silva pe...@taronga.com wrote:
* Imagining that there's some relationship between computer languages and
human languages.
* See COBOL
* See Perl
See AppleScript. Here's an epic rant on the subject:
http://daringfireball.net/2005/09/english-likeness_monster
Tony.
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On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 07:35:39PM -0500, Peter da Silva wrote:
[...]
Like *x for indirection. Even Dennis agrees that was a mistake. He said
that by the time he noticed it there were three sites using C so they
thought it was probably too late to fix it.
I heard the there were three sites
Andy Armstrong a...@hexten.net wrote:
On 13 May 2012, at 18:48, Michael G Schwern wrote:
* Lists count from 0
* Everybody does it
* Everybody's wrong
* See also let's just paste what C does
I find it very hard to live with Lua's 1-based arrays. I don't think
it's just familiarity -
On 2012-05-14, at 05:03, Peter Corlett wrote:
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 07:35:39PM -0500, Peter da Silva wrote:
[...]
Like *x for indirection. Even Dennis agrees that was a mistake. He said
that by the time he noticed it there were three sites using C so they
thought it was probably too late to
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:54:39AM +0100, Tony Finch wrote:
Andy Armstrong a...@hexten.net wrote:
On 13 May 2012, at 18:48, Michael G Schwern wrote:
* Lists count from 0
* Everybody does it
* Everybody's wrong
* See also let's just paste what C does
I find it very hard to
On 14 May 2012 02:17, Michael G Schwern schw...@pobox.com wrote:
So much hate for tying the iterator to the data and not the op.
Indeed. I see this bite people regularly at $work (non Perl
programmers converting seem to get bitten by each() at least once in
their career).
In the case of hashes
OOn 14/05/12 04:03 AM, Michael G Schwern wrote:
AFAIK none of that is part of the Javascript language (ie. the ECMAscript).
They're all special objects with their own standards and require special
implementations. I don't believe you can write them in Javascript. And it's
all fairly recent
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:06:59AM +0200, demerphq wrote:
[...]
I kinda wish perl had an interface like
my $iter= iterator(%hash);
while (my ($key,$value)= $iter-each) { }
Which I think would be sane. You could even pass the iterator without
passing the hash itself. (Preventing
Peter Corlett ab...@cabal.org.uk wrote:
I'd like to throw in the fun breakage caused by the combination of adding
two unnecessary bits of syntactic sugar to Perl. Somebody decided that
auto-deref would be nice, so you can do each $hashref and pop $arrayref.
And then somebody else clearly
Michael G Schwern schw...@pobox.com wrote:
On 2012.5.13 11:36 AM, Peter Corlett wrote:
I'd like to throw in the fun breakage caused by the combination of adding
two unnecessary bits of syntactic sugar to Perl. Somebody decided that
auto-deref would be nice, so you can do each $hashref and pop
Walt Mankowski waltman-hates-softw...@mawode.com wrote:
* Everything is a string.
* Tcl
I like the term stringly typed.
Tony.
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On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:48:13AM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote:
* Auto declare undeclared variables
* PHP, Ruby
* Typo protection out the window
* Perl (unless you enable 'use strict vars', and don't fully qualify
your vars; no such protection possible on subs if you use
On Sun, 13 May 2012 10:48:13 -0700, Michael G Schwern
schw...@pobox.com wrote:
* A typed language with no way to define new types
* SQL
* Follow the standard only optionally
All SQL dialects allow spaces as the SQL standard sais
SELECT bar, count (*) FROM frublt GROUP BY bar;
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:47 AM, H.Merijn Brand h.m.br...@xs4all.nl wrote:
* Oracle converts to NULL on varchar2 fields
Oh goodness yes. Whoever thought that was a good idea? And built such
an SQL incompatibility into a major database engine?
Cheers,
Philip
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On Sun, 13 May 2012 10:48:13 -0700, Michael G Schwern
schw...@pobox.com wrote:
* Significant whitespace
* Python
* Oh god why Kurila
* YAML does it right
* So does Ruby
One more (besides what I wrote about MySQL)
C-preprocessor. The only compiler I know of that does it wrong
Michael G Schwern schw...@pobox.com wrote:
* No namespaces
* Lua, Javascript
Lua does have namespaces, by changing which table is used for globals.
There are amusing incompatibilities in this area between 5.1 and 5.2 ...
Tony.
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Fisher,
* Peter Corlett ab...@cabal.org.uk [2012-05-14 12:20]:
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:06:59AM +0200, demerphq wrote:
I kinda wish perl had an interface like
my $iter= iterator(%hash);
while (my ($key,$value)= $iter-each) { }
Which I think would be sane. You could even pass the iterator
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 08:06:28AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Michael G Schwern schw...@pobox.com wrote:
The only other instance I can think of is... damn I can't remember the name.
It's the one that makes URLs like /foo/bar/123,3598,235.html. You write in
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 01:28:45PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
Storyserver was supposed to be a
content management system, but when I used it it couldn't handle binary
file uploads - so you couldn't use it to upload images. Their
solution to this was to send us some C source which was untested,
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM, David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 08:06:28AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
Vignette StoryServer?
I had a bit of a go with that... back when the language was Tcl, not Java.
Fun times. Especially counting the backslashes. Do we need
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 03:01:05PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
because we don't have a compiler in the UK.
That makes me wonder whether UK refers to the Ukraine in this context
What an extremely odd thing for a company to say.
What our client said was odder. They said we want you to use
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 04:58:49PM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote:
On 2012.5.13 3:41 PM, David Cantrell wrote:
Perl used to have this. It was called #include. It's a damned shame
that -P got killed off. Removing it was hateful.
Let's run one language through another language's
On 14 May 2012 14:34, David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk wrote:
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 04:58:49PM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote:
On 2012.5.13 3:41 PM, David Cantrell wrote:
Perl used to have this. It was called #include. It's a damned shame
that -P got killed off. Removing it was
On 2012-05-14, at 06:07, Aaron Crane wrote:
Since these two enhancements aren't entirely compatible, the current
situation is unfortunate: a +-prototyped argument must be an
unblessed array or hash ref — not a blessed reference, and not an
autovivifying undef (so `push $x, list` doesn't work on
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:20:37AM -0400, Sean Conner wrote:
[...]
Are you kidding? It can get much worse than that. I came across a language
[1] that allows for patterm matched random GOSUBs (and that's the general
case---it can do GOSUBs like other langauges, but it can also do random
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:13:05AM +0200, Abigail wrote:
* Let's make where to count from a switch -- globally
* Perl (till it got removed from the language)
Nope. From the manpage:
As of release 5 of Perl, assignment to $[ is treated as a compiler
directive, and cannot influence the
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:51 PM, David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk wrote:
For extra excitement, perl has this nifty feature where you can index
from the end of an array using negative numbers:
@array = ('ant', 'bat', 'camel', 'dolphin');
print $array[-1]; # dolphin
print $array[-2]; #
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 01:51:11PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:13:05AM +0200, Abigail wrote:
* Let's make where to count from a switch -- globally
* Perl (till it got removed from the language)
Nope. From the manpage:
As of release 5 of Perl, assignment
Well, while we're ranting about stupid language design desisions...
I would like to dish out a special platter of hate for Puppet.
Well, not a programming language per se.
But Puppet is special in that it's intended to be a *descriptive* language.
So you describe how your servers are to be
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