Re: IPCS Questions (two)

2007-03-21 Thread John Ticic
-- snip -- 2) The new OPCODE function is great, but I am really in need of a CLIST or REXX based disassembler that can be executed from within the IPCS environment. Has anyone seen anything like this? If you're running z//OS V1R8, IPCS has support for an INSTRUCTION data type that is

Re: Slightly OT Backups not Good on PC

2007-03-21 Thread Doc Farmer
This is why you TEST your backup tapes, folks... On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:33:55 -0500, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip There was still hope, until the department discovered its third line of defense, backup tapes, were unreadable. snip

Re: Need help with Assembler accessing VSAM file in reentrant LE-conforming program

2007-03-21 Thread Peter Relson
If IBM is committed to ensuring that the program will works from this point on for evermore, how can the routines called by the SVC know whether or not the SVC was assembled from programmer code[1] or macro code? Release x+n cannot change what release x's macro created! What's all this nonsense

Re: JAVA Support for a Novice

2007-03-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Return code 6F states that permission is denied. Make sure that you have access to the file in STDOUT. Jon L. Veilleux [EMAIL PROTECTED] (860) 636-2683 BPXM009I BPXBATCH FAILED BECAUSE OPEN (BPX1OPN) FOR STDOUT FAILED WITH RETURN CODE 006F REASON CODE 0004 IEF142I ZHBHELLO JESSTEP

Re: Slightly OT Backups not Good on PC

2007-03-21 Thread Sebastian Welton
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:33:25 -0500, Doc Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is why you TEST your backup tapes, folks... I learnt that the hard, but not critical way, some time back. We were using FDR for backups and creating 1 original and a copy at the same time. One copy would go in the

Re: IPCS Questions (two)

2007-03-21 Thread Robert Wright
John Ticic wrote on 03/21/2007 04:30:44 AM: Bob, I took a look at the IPCS manuals to get an update on some of the new features. Good stuff! I couldn't find any information on the INSTRUCTION data type, but I tried it anyway on the pointer panel. Typing INSTRUCTION in the data area field

Unicode Code Dynamic Table Loading

2007-03-21 Thread Lizette Koehler
In z/OS V1.7 I have found the following information Unicode dynamic table loading: Unicode support will be enhanced to dynamically load conversion tables on demand. This can help eliminate the setup tasks previously required for Unicode, including the CUNUNIxx parmlib member IMAGE statement

Re: DFSMShsm tape protection

2007-03-21 Thread R.S.
Brian Westerman wrote: Hopefully you have a tape management system set up to keep from overwriting your HSM tapes. Without that, there is very little to keep you from making a mistake and overwriting them. You could always set up HSM to use an expiration date of 1999/365 so that at least

Re: Need help with Assembler accessing VSAM file in reentrant LE-conforming program

2007-03-21 Thread Chris Mason
Peter Let's look at it this way: the macro is a solid way development uses in order to document the interface precisely - because it has to work in all its guises. It is then up to the programmer whether the macro is used or raw code. It's also up to the programmer's conscience how well

Re: Unicode Code Dynamic Table Loading

2007-03-21 Thread Ramiro Camposagrado
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:50:32 -0400, Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In z/OS V1.7 I have found the following information Unicode dynamic table loading: Unicode support will be enhanced to dynamically load conversion tables on demand. This can help eliminate the setup tasks previously

Spam: Did you see this?

2007-03-21 Thread nafez
Hi ; Did anybody see the 'used percentage field' in ISPF 5.7 giving numbers more than 100% like 228% and 116%?, I have this situation on our Z/OS 1.7 but not on OS/390 2.10. any ideas will be appretiated? Nafez Al-Besheeti System Prog. KSU Computer Center

Re: Unicode Code Dynamic Table Loading

2007-03-21 Thread Brian Peterson
Unicode on Demand works very well in z/OS 1.7, with OA16037, OA18799 and OA19072. I talked a bit about this at the Bit Bucket at SHARE in Tampa: http://www.share.org/client_files/docupload/Bit%20Bucket%2033%20(21).pdf Please see my section of this presentation, titled Unicode for the Smart and

SDSF ? display

2007-03-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
When I enter an SDSF STatus display and select a job with the ? prefix command, data sets for that job seem to be displayed sorted by DSID (is this the default, or did I override it at some time in the past? Is there any way to nullify a prior explicit setting and return to the default. I

Re: Slightly OT Backups not Good on PC

2007-03-21 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doc Farmer Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 5:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Slightly OT Backups not Good on PC This is why you TEST your backup tapes, folks... SNIP Some years ago

Another article on the Flex/IBM issue

2007-03-21 Thread Gary Green
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Re: SDSF ? display

2007-03-21 Thread Ray Mullins
DSID is assigned by JES. It is the same number that appears in the allocation messages for a data set assigned to SYSOUT (and DD *, for that matter, which can also be displayed by SDSF). I had this great explanation written up, but then I ran a test and I refreshed my memory a few things. I'm

Re: SDSF ? display

2007-03-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Ray Mullins said: Subject: Re: SDSF ? display dynamically allocated data sets get the next one in sequence. Bingo! The dymamically allocated data sets appear out of order. That's the explanation, but certainly not a satisfactory answer. There could be an old SORT

Re: Did you see this?

2007-03-21 Thread Chris Mason
Nafez You need to think of a better Subject for your original posts. I received this with Spam attached in front of your Subject - probably my local McAfee jumping in - and, indeed, Did you see this is very likely to refer to an enhancement to performance of a type not usually discussed in

Re: Slightly OT Backups not Good on PC

2007-03-21 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve SNIP Some years ago with what today is called a SOHO, I used a Seagate backup system (before it became Veritas) that wrote to a tape cartridge where the cartridge unit was attached via a

ISPF Help not working

2007-03-21 Thread Mark Steely
We upgraded to z/OS V1R7 this past weekend. It was reported that HELP was not working on ISPF. Whenever I enter HELP I receive invalid command. The same command on V1R4 brings up the TUTORIAL. Any help would be appreciated. Thank You

Re: Unicode Code Dynamic Table Loading

2007-03-21 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:50:32 -0400, Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How exactly will I know this is working. I had the same concern initially. To test it in my sandbox I did this: D UNI,ALL (operator cmd - note output) Force a load by browsing a FILE in ISPF that is ASCII (well,

Re: ISPF Help not working

2007-03-21 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:52:24 -0500, Mark Steely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We upgraded to z/OS V1R7 this past weekend. It was reported that HELP was not working on ISPF. Whenever I enter HELP I receive invalid command. The same command on V1R4 brings up the TUTORIAL. Any help would be appreciated.

Re: IBM-Main Archive change?

2007-03-21 Thread Bruce Black
Did the format of IBM-Main's Archive (or Listserver's processing of the archive) change over night, or have I horribly hosed over my profile? The look amp; feel is completely different. More importanly, I no longer have navigation buttons (next/prev-in-thread, next/prev-by-author) when

Re: JAVA Support for a Novice

2007-03-21 Thread Howard Brazee
I am still not getting this Hello World Java JCL to work. I've tries some others I have found on the web.If someone has the time to look at my input and output, please let me know at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll send it to them off of the listserver. Thanks.

Re: ISPF Help not working

2007-03-21 Thread John P Kalinich
Mark Steely of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 03/21/2007 10:52:24 AM: We upgraded to z/OS V1R7 this past weekend. It was reported that HELP was not working on ISPF. Whenever I enter HELP I receive invalid command. The same command on V1R4 brings up the

Re: Spam: Did you see this?

2007-03-21 Thread Bruce Black
Did anybody see the 'used percentage field' in ISPF 5.7 giving numbers more than 100% like 228% and 116%?, I have this situation on our Z/OS 1.7 but not on OS/390 2.10. any ideas will be appretiated? I am confused. ISPF 5.7 is the interface to submit batch binder or linkage editor jobs. I

SDSF print cancel

2007-03-21 Thread Howard Brazee
Someone came to me, she accidentally opened a print with a large SDSF file (she typed X by itself). She's afraid to hit PRINT CLOSE because the doesn't want to print it. (How does it know that it's XP rather than XD? Or does it act like a SPSF print?)

Re: Another article on the Flex/IBM issue

2007-03-21 Thread Charles Mills
Great article! Thanks. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Green Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 7:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Another article on the Flex/IBM issue

FTP Secure (TLS/SSL) to BMC Support - TLS handshake failed

2007-03-21 Thread Steven Werth
We are trying to setup a FTP transfer to BMC using TLS/SSL and we're having some problems in getting the authentication process to work. I'm asking the list simply because BMC support has been extremely slow in responding back to us (3+ days) and I thought I would see if anyone might be able to

Re: FTP Secure (TLS/SSL) to BMC Support - TLS handshake failed

2007-03-21 Thread Gray, Larry - Larry A
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Re: ISPF Help not working

2007-03-21 Thread Mark Steely
I do have the HELP entry in my ISP command table. Also the default ISPF shipped with z/OS V1R7 I receive the same message. We do have a altered Primary Menu, but I did not perform any updates to the panel. As I stated earlier the one shipped from IBM (no changes or updates) is not working either.

Re: Unicode Code Dynamic Table Loading

2007-03-21 Thread Michael Babcock
If I remember correctly, you must have SYS1.SCUNIMG in the linklist for the dynamic to work. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO

FLEX-ES PWD

2007-03-21 Thread David Day
Just curious. Does anyone know of any success stories vis-a-vis this platform and program? Got the Flex machine through PWD, developed the software, brought it to market, and am now a successful ISV? -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: Unicode Code Dynamic Table Loading

2007-03-21 Thread Lizette Koehler
Thanks Mark - Perfect as always. Lizette Snip D UNI,ALL (operator cmd - note output) Force a load by browsing a FILE in ISPF that is ASCII (well, it doesn't even have to be ASCII) and from the browse command line type: DISPLAY UTF8 Then do a D UNI,ALL command again from the

Re: ISPF Help not working

2007-03-21 Thread Bruce Black
perhaps the ISPTUTOR load module has become corrupted -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com

Re: FLEX-ES PWD

2007-03-21 Thread Robert Fake
InfoSec, Inc. has been tremendously successful via this program. We utilized the tServer T30 (Thinkpad laptop) system to develop The Automated Security Administrator (TASA) for CA-Top Secret, CA-ACF2 and IBM-RACF. This technology was acquired by CA in 2005 and is now known as eTrust Cleanup for

Re: FTP Secure (TLS/SSL) to BMC Support - TLS handshake failed

2007-03-21 Thread Steven Werth
Your guess is the same as ours. We're just getting impatient with BMC support. Steve Werth Add DEBUG SEC to the SYSFTPD parms. This will give you debugging on that level. As a guess, you might not have their CA in your keyring. If that does not show the cause of the problem, you can

Re: SDSF ? display

2007-03-21 Thread R.S.
Paul Gilmartin wrote: [...] What determines DSID? It seems almost to increase monotonically in chronological jobstep order, with a few very annoying exceptions that appear at the very end of the list. Is there any way to sort by jobstep order? (Note that this is not sorting by StepName, since

Re: SDSF ? display

2007-03-21 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
Paul Gilmartin wrote: My problem, indeed; I'd like to see all data sets for a job step contiguous. Rules? The rules simply don't account for the needs of a human programmer. What did you complain about in HASP days, when the data sets were numbered in the order in which they were opened? At

Re: ISPF Help not working

2007-03-21 Thread Mark Steely
I found the problem - in the ISPCCONF configuration I had specified two SITE command table. The second SITE command table had HELP specified as PASSTHRU. I removed the second SITE table and everything functions as designed. Thanks for your help. Thank You -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: ISPF Help not working

2007-03-21 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 3/21/2007 1:33:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: perhaps the ISPTUTOR load module has become corrupted Tough to say without more info. Venerable PDS command has a lovely VERify command for just this situation. ===VER A:Z

Re: FLEX-ES PWD

2007-03-21 Thread Charles Mills
My former company (Firesign Computer) was a success story for the predecessor machines and program. We acquired two P/390s through the PiD program (mid-1990s). We developed Outbound which became (according to Gartner) the number three inter-machine file transfer product (after Connect:Direct and

Re: Slightly OT Backups not Good on PC

2007-03-21 Thread R.S.
Well, it's completely unrelated to PC or mainframe or any other platform. It could be related to installation size: poor PC with poor backup HW SW *staff* is not as well protected as rich one. BTW: Did I mention the staff ? The only way to have backups restorable is to think about it and

Re: Spam: Did you see this?

2007-03-21 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
nafez wrote: Did anybody see the 'used percentage field' in ISPF 5.7 giving numbers more than 100% like 228% and 116%?, I have this situation on our Z/OS 1.7 but not on OS/390 2.10. any ideas will be appretiated? I have no idea what you're seeing, but if I were to guess, I might assume the

Re: Spam: Did you see this?

2007-03-21 Thread Big Iron
ISPF version 5.7 is the ISPF shipped with z/OS 1.7. I suspect that the OP may be referring to ISPF 3.4 but I am not sure. Bill On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:42:34 -0400, Bruce Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did anybody see the 'used percentage field' in ISPF 5.7 giving numbers more than 100% like

z/OS with CA-ACF2: invalid logon attempts counters question

2007-03-21 Thread Big Iron
For ACF2, there is a setting which controls the maximum number of invalid password attempts in a single day. There are two counters maintained: - PSWD-INV, the maximum number of invalid attempts since the last successful logon; that counter is reset after a successful sign on - PSWD-VIO, the

Re: Slightly OT Backups not Good on PC

2007-03-21 Thread Bruce Black
I learnt that the hard, but not critical way, some time back. We were using FDR for backups and creating 1 original and a copy at the same time. One copy would go in the firesafe and one would stay in the robbie (Comparex 6388 ACL if anyone remembers those beasts!) Anyway management decided that

Re: FTP Secure (TLS/SSL) to BMC Support - TLS handshake failed

2007-03-21 Thread Gray, Larry - Larry A
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Re: REXX read buffer

2007-03-21 Thread R.S.
Ted MacNEIL wrote: Read them into a stem 1000 or so at a time and process them or if you have a ~1G address space you can read the whole thing into storage. IIRC, STEM. variables are below the line (still). So, the region won't help. (Of course, I could be wrong. But, I have blown virtual on

Re: FTP Secure (TLS/SSL) to BMC Support - TLS handshake failed

2007-03-21 Thread Steven Werth
220 BMC FTP Server Ready FC0189 ftpAuth: security values: mech=TLS, sFTP=R, sCC=C, sDC=C FC0222 ftpAuth: cipherspecs = 0A0906030405020135 FC0263 ftpAuth: environment_open() FC0381 ftpAuth: environment_init() FC0390 ftpAuth: environment initialization complete EZA1701I AUTH TLS 234

OA03767 PDS/E Restriction

2007-03-21 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
Just a heads up. Did anyone else notice the Permanent Restriction listed in OA03767. Copy a PDSE dataset and the space needs to be larger on the output dataset. PROBLEM CONCLUSION: When copying a large number of PDSE members, all of the attribute records for a group of members are inserted

Re: Another article on the Flex/IBM issue

2007-03-21 Thread Terry Sambrooks
Hi, Thanks for posting the link to the article Gary, it was good reading. I am concerned that for small businesses the numbers do not add up with either a low end z9 or the Service Option. The article states correctly that the IBM Software is provided largely free to PWD member. (Even the

Re: COBOL ARITH(EXTEND) compiler option

2007-03-21 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:49:45 +0100, Jim McAlpine wrote: I'm looking at the Enterprise COBOL Performance Tuning paper regarding the ARITH(EXTEND) compiler option which says - . | On the average, ARITH(EXTEND) was 1% slower than ARITH(COMPAT), with a range of equivalent to 38% slower. We're

Workload License Charges IRD Seminar in Sydney Australia

2007-03-21 Thread Al Sherkow
This post was approved by the list owner! WORKLOAD LICENSE CHARGES SEMINAR in Conjunction with CMG Australia May 22-24, 2007 in Sydney, Australia This 3 day seminar will give you the essential knowledge you need to implement and leverage IBM's Workload License Charges, and PR/SM's Intelligent

Re: COBOL ARITH(EXTEND) compiler option

2007-03-21 Thread Imbriale, Donald (Exchange)
The first hit from a Google search on COBOL Performance Tuning returns the link for the IBM document you want. Don Imbriale -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Kopischke Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 4:05 PM To:

Re: FTP Secure (TLS/SSL) to BMC Support - TLS handshake failed

2007-03-21 Thread Gray, Larry - Larry A
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Re: COBOL ARITH(EXTEND) compiler option

2007-03-21 Thread Steve Comstock
Dave Kopischke wrote: On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:49:45 +0100, Jim McAlpine wrote: I'm looking at the Enterprise COBOL Performance Tuning paper regarding the ARITH(EXTEND) compiler option which says - . | On the average, ARITH(EXTEND) was 1% slower than ARITH(COMPAT), with a range of

Re: Another article on the Flex/IBM issue

2007-03-21 Thread Lionel B Dyck
Perhaps this is the time for IBM to offer a time-sharing option on a z9 somewhere in IBM for the PWD and others. Lionel B. Dyck, Consultant/Specialist zLinux Platform Client and Platform Engineering Services (CAPES) KP-IT Enterprise Engineering, Manager Toni Nicotera 925-926-5332 (8-473-5332)

Re: COBOL ARITH(EXTEND) compiler option

2007-03-21 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:19:41 -0700, Steve Comstock wrote: So of course, the answer to your question is, it depends; on what your programs are doing. Still, 30% seems high? If you are not running on a machine that supports the new floating point registers and instructions you may also be seeing

Re: Spam: Did you see this?

2007-03-21 Thread Bruce Black
ISPF version 5.7 is the ISPF shipped with z/OS 1.7. I suspect that the OP may be referring to ISPF 3.4 but I am not sure. Duh!! -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support:

CPU Utilization? (was: Did you see this?)

2007-03-21 Thread Robert Fake
If you are looking at SDSF and have multiple processors, it is likely that you are looking at CPU utilization across all of them. We used to look at utilization across all CP's: 1 CPU = 100% 2 CPU = 200% 3 CPU = 300% If you are using 1.5 CPU's, the result would be 150% (50% relative

Re: Spam: Did you see this?

2007-03-21 Thread Patrick Lyon
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:41:06 -0400, Bruce Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ISPF version 5.7 is the ISPF shipped with z/OS 1.7. I suspect that the OP may be referring to ISPF 3.4 but I am not sure. Duh!! -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300

Re: Another article on the Flex/IBM issue

2007-03-21 Thread Steve Comstock
Lionel B Dyck wrote: Perhaps this is the time for IBM to offer a time-sharing option on a z9 somewhere in IBM for the PWD and others. Lionel B. Dyck, Consultant/Specialist zLinux Platform Maybe in a virtual machine: I sometimes need to change system parameters and I'm sure other users would

Re: FTP Secure (TLS/SSL) to BMC Support - TLS handshake failed

2007-03-21 Thread Steven Werth
Thanks for your help. The output from gsktrace confirms that the CA is the problem. Will continue to wait on BMC to straighten this out. Steve Werth Email Firewall made the following annotations NOTICE --- This

TERSE (TRSMAIN)

2007-03-21 Thread David Shein
We are trying to unterse a large data set and failing with B378 abends on VIO. Does anyone know where (or even whether) TRSMAIN is documented? Or, failing that, does anyone know how to get around this allocation barrier? We have tried adding big page data sets, allocating work files in JCL,

Re: TERSE (TRSMAIN)

2007-03-21 Thread David Shein
Sorry for the typo -- that should read B37, not B378. Finger check. Otherwise the post stands as written. - David At 02:52 PM 3/21/2007 -0700, you wrote: We are trying to unterse a large data set and failing with B378 abends on VIO. Does anyone know where (or even whether) TRSMAIN is

Re: TERSE (TRSMAIN)

2007-03-21 Thread Jack Kelly
take it off vio. change the outfile unit name and/or space requirement Jack Kelly LA Systems @ US Courts x 202-502-2390 David Shein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 03/21/2007 06:06 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: TERSE (TRSMAIN)

2007-03-21 Thread Bob Shannon
We are trying to unterse a large data set and failing with B378 abends on VIO Do you know what is being allocated to VIO? I just allocate a large output dataset to disk and have never encountered a problem with VIO. An output dataset that is ten times the size of the input should handle most

Re: COBOL ARITH(EXTEND) compiler option

2007-03-21 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip We're on a z9BC. We've got some other code changes in the process that I'm trying to isolate from the ARITH(EXTEND) impact to see if this is really 30% attributable to the ARITH option change. I'd still be interested in hearing what others have

Re: TERSE (TRSMAIN)

2007-03-21 Thread David Shein
Added REGION=0M and it made no difference. Good thought, anyway. - David At 06:19 PM 3/21/2007 -0400, you wrote: We are trying to unterse a large data set and failing with B378 abends on VIO Do you know what is being allocated to VIO? I just allocate a large output dataset to disk and have

Re: TERSE (TRSMAIN)

2007-03-21 Thread Bob Rutledge
David Shein wrote: Does anyone know where (or even whether) TRSMAIN is documented? http://techsupport.services.ibm.com/390/trsmain.html Bob -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: TERSE (TRSMAIN)

2007-03-21 Thread David Shein
Thanx. That shows what I feared it would, i.e., no way to control work file allocations. At least nothing that is documented. Good try. - David At 06:27 PM 3/21/2007 -0400, you wrote: David Shein wrote: Does anyone know where (or even whether) TRSMAIN is documented?

Re: TERSE (TRSMAIN)

2007-03-21 Thread David Shein
It isn't OUTFILE that's failing. It's a work file named SYS1, and there doesn't seem to be any (obvious) way to control the allocation of workfiles. If you allocate SYS1, he ignores it and tries to allocate his own SYS2 with the same failure. Thus, my where is it documented

Re: TERSE (TRSMAIN)

2007-03-21 Thread Bob Rutledge
Are you by any chance trying to unterse a tape file? Bob David Shein wrote: It isn't OUTFILE that's failing. It's a work file named SYS1, and there doesn't seem to be any (obvious) way to control the allocation of workfiles. If you allocate SYS1, he ignores it and tries to allocate

Re: TERSE (TRSMAIN)

2007-03-21 Thread David Shein
Nope. However, the problem is solved: TRSMAIN doesn't support PDSEs, and this is one. Copied the data to a real PDS and tersed that. Can't change the original data set, it's a system file. One more bullet to add to my list of reasons why I hate PDSE's. One more exception to remember. -

Re: TERSE (TRSMAIN)

2007-03-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, David Shein said: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:35:30 -0700 It isn't OUTFILE that's failing. It's a work file named SYS1, and there doesn't seem to be any (obvious) way to control the allocation of workfiles. If you allocate SYS1, he ignores it and tries to

Re: TERSE (TRSMAIN)

2007-03-21 Thread Bob Rutledge
Well, in fairness, the cited documentation stated the restriction. Bob Paul Gilmartin wrote: In a recent note, David Shein said: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:35:30 -0700 It isn't OUTFILE that's failing. It's a work file named SYS1, and there doesn't seem to be any (obvious) way to

Re: SDSF ? display

2007-03-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Gerhard Postpischil said: Subject: Re: SDSF ? display Paul Gilmartin wrote: My problem, indeed; I'd like to see all data sets for a job step contiguous. Rules? The rules simply don't account for the needs of a human programmer. What did you complain about in

Re: TERSE (TRSMAIN)

2007-03-21 Thread David Shein
Yes it did. Acknowledged. That could have saved us some time, but it is no excuse for the real problem. Now we have to use four steps instead of two to handle these: copy to a PDS, terse the PDS, unterse the PDS, copy to a PDSE. Like I said, one more exception to remember. If PDSE's had

VSAM/DEB/ACB question

2007-03-21 Thread David Day
Have not done much VSAM coding, hence the questions. Have an opened ACB in 31 bit storage. Looking at a dump immediately after a successful OPEN for the dataset. TCBDEB points to a DEB where the chain from the DEB to the JFCB is correct(DEB extention to DSAB to SIOT to JFCB)...it's the

Re: about HILITE in ISPF Editor

2007-03-21 Thread Don Leahy
Check with your systems programmer. HILITE may have been purposely disabled. If it is disabled, ask for the reason why...and it had better be good! If *you* are the systems programmer, then run ISPCCONF to figure out what your default setting is. - Original Message - Hi Neil,

Re: PDSE [WAS: TERSE (TRSMAIN)]

2007-03-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I avoid PDSE's like the plague. PDSE's were great until IBM decided to support them as non-SMS constructs. They took an (elegant) implementation and screwed it up with dual code-streams and other unnatural acts to force it into that environment. When they first came out, I used them all the

Re: TERSE (TRSMAIN)

2007-03-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Bob Rutledge said: Subject: Re: TERSE (TRSMAIN) Well, in fairness, the cited documentation stated the restriction. In the document you cited: http://techsupport.services.ibm.com/390/trsmain.html .. the only reference I see to space allocation of temporary data

Re: PDSE [WAS: TERSE (TRSMAIN)]

2007-03-21 Thread David Shein
I understand you perfectly. In fact, it sounds as though your experience has been more favorable than mine. They used to bite me regularly even before the SMS restriction was relaxed. Like you, I never create or use one now if I can possibly help it. DASD is cheap and the aggravation isn't

Re: PDSE [WAS: TERSE (TRSMAIN)]

2007-03-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Ted MacNEIL said: Subject: Re: PDSE [WAS: TERSE (TRSMAIN)] I avoid PDSE's like the plague. PDSE's were great until IBM decided to support them as non-SMS constructs. They took an (elegant) implementation and screwed it up with dual code-streams an dother unnatural

Re: TERSE (TRSMAIN)

2007-03-21 Thread David Shein
Very good question. If anyone can find the answer, please share. - David .. the only reference I see to space allocation of temporary data sets is: Updates to TRSMAIN [ ... ] 4.11 2004-11-29 [ ... ] + Allow overriding the temporary dataset space

Re: PDSE [WAS: TERSE (TRSMAIN)]

2007-03-21 Thread Shane Ginnane
Been a few weeks since there has been a spleen venting session re PDSE. And I get two posts about niggles with 'em on the same day. Unsurprisingly, more and more vendors are shipping them. Some because of functionality, some of them because it's the thing to do. Pity the poor customer. Shane

Re: PDSE [WAS: TERSE (TRSMAIN)]

2007-03-21 Thread David Shein
Oh, and one more thing! The only reason we solved this problem was that we HAPPENED to notice, in passing, that the original data set was a PDSE. If we hadn't, we would probably still be searching for the answer. Yes, the restriction is documented, but for that to be of any help, it has to

Re: PDSE [WAS: TERSE (TRSMAIN)]

2007-03-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Like you, I never create or use one now if I can possibly help it. DASD is cheap and the aggravation isn't worth it. And, I create huge directorys. Minimum of 1 cylinder, usually 5. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! --

Re: PDSE [WAS: TERSE (TRSMAIN)]

2007-03-21 Thread Bob Rutledge
One more thing that I find interesting. A quick trip through the archives indicates that using TRSMAIN on tape datasets yields the same illuminating error. I'd like to someday know what that program is doing. Bob David Shein wrote: Oh, and one more thing! The only reason we solved this

Re: PDSE [WAS: TERSE (TRSMAIN)]

2007-03-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Would there have been any other way to create program objects in temporary data sets, which I consider an important facility Not being a product developer, I have no need for that facility, but I would use PDSE's (grudgingly) when I have no choice. In a lot of cases, it's Hobson's choice: 1.

Re: PDSE [WAS: TERSE (TRSMAIN)]

2007-03-21 Thread David Shein
Well, I AM a product developer, have been for years now, and I get along just fine without them, thank you very much. And you're right about big directories, too. Among other things, you never know when you're going to need the directory space in rder to use the RESTORE function of PDS. I

Re: SDSF ? display

2007-03-21 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
Paul Gilmartin wrote: So was the HASP system, insofar as running the same job twice with the same inputs would have produced the same list of DSIDs. Or do I fail to understand? In JES2, the DSIDs remain the same regardless of input data. In HASP, the sequence was determined by program and