Re: Allocated Dataset Question

2008-11-21 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
Very useful post. -- Peter Hunkeler CREDIT SUISSE -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anton Britz Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Allocated Dataset Question Howard, Have you got

Re: Interesting CS Course Syllabus

2008-11-21 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:51:43 +0100, Lindy Mayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My favorite bit is from the CS-468 course syllabus. http://www.cs.niu.edu/~rrannie/syl468S7.html In this course programming will be carried out under a number of rules that, if you have not already discerned them, are

Re: Interesting CS Course Syllabus

2008-11-21 Thread Timothy Sipples
I put that excerpt from the syllabus on The Mainframe Blog, Lindy. Thank you so much for sharing that. I laughed out loud. http://mainframe.typepad.com - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan / Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL

Re: IBM PR: More Than 5,000 Customers Moved to IBM Systems from HP, Sun and EMC

2008-11-21 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:29:43 +0900, Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/26129.wss One notable quote from the press release: For System z: In less than one year, IBM has migrated more than 150 customers worldwide from competitive systems to IBM

IBM PR: More Than 5,000 Customers Moved to IBM Systems from HP, Sun and EMC

2008-11-21 Thread Timothy Sipples
http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/26129.wss One notable quote from the press release: For System z: In less than one year, IBM has migrated more than 150 customers worldwide from competitive systems to IBM mainframes in industries such as Distribution, Financial Services, General

Action before IPLing z/OS 1.10 - OBTAIN

2008-11-21 Thread Michael Cleary
Greetings, I noticed this in the z/OS 1.10 Migration manual. From the doc side, at least for OBTAIN CAMLST, it has said that a 140 byte return area has been needed going back at least to the OS/390 2.10 manuals. That being said, has anyone encountered any issues releated to this on z/OS 1.10?

Re: Cancel tso id - IKJEFLN2

2008-11-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 11/20/2008 at 02:01 PM, Eric Bielefeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Comments: cc: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Please don't do that; semd to me or to the list, but not to both. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT

Re: Cancel tso id - IKJEFLN2

2008-11-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 11/20/2008 at 03:09 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It's possible he meant OMVS. It's likely he'll protest my second-guessing his intent. Actually, you're right. Will the OMVS command tolerate a change in screen geometry? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.)

Re: IFL Extended to OpenSolaris

2008-11-21 Thread Jim Marshall
If one installs z/VM solely for use as a Linux hypervisor, would there be a need for RSCS? Maybe. There is certainly a need to perform maintenance to the z/VM system as well as administrative functions such as creating virtual machines. Hmmm RSCS seems to have come a long way since I

Re: Interesting CS Course Syllabus

2008-11-21 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lindy Mayfield While searching for CCW command codes (x'08' actually) I ran across this page of a computer science professor at Northern Illinois University. It seems they are learning some serious mainframe.

Re: Interesting CS Course Syllabus

2008-11-21 Thread Scott Rowe
I really need to get back to SHARE, it's been years since I've helped Dr. Rannie carry the paddles. Reading the syllabus got me wondering how I would have done as a student in his courses ;-) Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/21/08 8:08 AM If you go to a SHARE conference, you can meet Dr.

Re: Interesting CS Course Syllabus

2008-11-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
For those of you who are interested in helping this effort there is an group working on generating interest in large scale computing courses in the University community. Many Universities and businesses are involved already. If you are interested in helping this effort you can join the Enterprise

Re: How to repair a corrupt global CSI

2008-11-21 Thread Kurt Quackenbush
My first impression of your saga was life is too short to try to repair a CSI one RBA at a time. Of course, my impression was colored by the fact that I have no idea how to even think about repairing a CSI one RBA at a time. I would think you could simply connect your existing target and

Re: IFL Extended to OpenSolaris

2008-11-21 Thread David J. Chase
But the intent of my question was whether one could just purchase the standard RACF/VM license and then run it on z/VM on an IFL, or does one have to obtain special dispensation from IBM to run RACF/VM on an IFL, as was stated for RSCS? It's not clear to me if everyone understands that the

Re: IF/THEN/ELSE checking in JCL

2008-11-21 Thread Jeff Holst
An approach that has been taken in this shop is to place steps that execute a program named BLOWUP after each step that must achieve a specific return code for any of the following steps to execute. Each BLOWUP step checks the return code of the immediately previous step. Depending on who is

Fw: Interesting CS Course Syllabus

2008-11-21 Thread Angelo Corridori
As Jon mentions in his recent post, Marist College is working on revitalizing undergraduate education with Enterprise Systems content under a grant received from the National Science Foundation. If you or someone from your organization wants to get involved, see http://ecc.marist.edu Marist

z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Kurt Eastwood
Hello,   Thanks to everyone in advance for your help.   We are running z/OS 1.8 and considering upgrading to z/OS 1.10 by skipping z/OS 1.9 and I have a few questions for the group.   1. Are many people going from 1.8 to 1.10 skipping 1.9?   2. If so, are you finding there are problems skipping

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Just a warning. We just had a problem with some vendor's assembler code running on z/OS 1.10. In short, GETMAIN no longer initializes the GETMAINed area to hex zeroes. There will be residual data in the GETMAINed area, so, if someone was a lazy coder and didn't initialize their fields you could

Re: Cancel tso id - IKJEFLN2

2008-11-21 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 11/20/2008 at 03:09 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It's possible he meant OMVS. It's likely he'll protest my second-guessing his intent.

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread R.S.
Kurt Eastwood wrote: Hello, Thanks to everyone in advance for your help. We are running z/OS 1.8 and considering upgrading to z/OS 1.10 by skipping z/OS 1.9 and I have a few questions for the group. 1. Are many people going from 1.8 to 1.10 skipping 1.9? 2. If so, are you finding there

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Lizette Koehler
You might want to download Marna's 3 part share presentation on z/OS V1.10. It will have lots of good information on going from different releases to 1.10 as well as what you need to look out for. If you cannot download it let me know. I have found that putting on all the compatibility maint

Re: IF/THEN/ELSE checking in JCL

2008-11-21 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:41:56 -0600, Jeff Holst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An approach that has been taken in this shop is to place steps that execute a program named BLOWUP after each step that must achieve a specific return code for any of the following steps to execute. Each BLOWUP step checks

Re: IFL Extended to OpenSolaris

2008-11-21 Thread Jim Marshall
But the intent of my question was whether one could just purchase the standard RACF/VM license and then run it on z/VM on an IFL, or does one have to obtain special dispensation from IBM to run RACF/VM on an IFL, as was stated for RSCS? No. RACF for z/VM is considered part of the

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Veilleux, Jon L Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 9:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: z/OS upgrade Just a warning. We just had a problem with some vendor's assembler code running on z/OS

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Tom Harper
Jon, GTEMAIN or STORAGE OBTAIN has never initialized the area obtained to binary zeroes, the exception being is if CHECKZERO is specified, the system will let you know that the storage has been cleared to zeros via a special return code. There is nothing in the changes summary in documenting

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Kurt Eastwood
Lizette,   Where do I download Marna's 3 part share presentation?   Thanks, Kurt --- On Fri, 11/21/08, Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: z/OS upgrade To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 3:38 PM You might want to

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Lizette Koehler
You can get them off the share website for the San Jose Conference Marna Walle does a great job on these presentations. There are 3 separate presentations to cover everything. Lizette Lizette,   Where do I download Marna's 3 part share presentation?   Thanks, Kurt --- On Fri, 11/21/08,

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Bob Shannon
GTEMAIN or STORAGE OBTAIN has never initialized the area obtained to binary zeroes, the exception being is if CHECKZERO is specified Not exactly true. Storage is initialized to zeros when: - 8192 bytes or more from a pageable, private storage subpool. - 4096 bytes or more from a pageable,

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Schumacher, Otto
We went from 1.7 to 1.9 the biggest problem we had was the key 8 CSA security issue with OEM code. We had to turn it off the key 8 protection because we had vendor code that had not coded for this change. Regards Otto Schumacher Technical Support, CICS EDS, an HP Company Ahold Account 2000

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Wayne Driscoll
GETMAIN has never cleared storage. STORAGE OBTAIN will clear storage to hex ZEROS ONLY for a 8k or larger request, or a 4k or larger with BNDRY=PAGE. This behavior has been constant for all releases of MVS/ESA, OS/390 and z/OS I have worked with since STORAGE was introduced. Wayne Driscoll

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Kurt Eastwood
To all,   I appreciate all the comments I have received so far, thank you all. I do want to add a bit more info to my request for help.   I have supported 3rd party products for several years but have never upgraded z/OS.   1. Is there any good documentation, that is easy to follow, that would

Re: Interesting CS Course Syllabus

2008-11-21 Thread Skip Robinson
While Dr Rannie is still a dedicated and enthusiastic bearer of the paddles at SHARE, I find it poignant and touching that actual physical custody of them has passed to the zNextGen Project managed by Kristine (Harper) Neely. The symbolism bodes well for our community. . . JO.Skip Robinson

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:53:40 -0600, Wayne Driscoll wrote: GETMAIN has never cleared storage. STORAGE OBTAIN will clear storage to hex ZEROS ONLY for a 8k or larger request, or a 4k or larger with BNDRY=PAGE. This behavior has been constant for all releases of MVS/ESA, OS/390 and z/OS I have

Re: Interesting CS Course Syllabus

2008-11-21 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:04:43 -0800, Skip Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While Dr Rannie is still a dedicated and enthusiastic bearer of the paddles at SHARE, I find it poignant and touching that actual physical custody of them has passed to the zNextGen Project managed by Kristine (Harper)

Re: FALL BACK TIME CHANGE EST

2008-11-21 Thread Kelman, Tom
We do the same thing. If anyone knows how to make the change without sitting idle for an hour we'd like to know that also. Tom Kelman Enterprise Capacity Planner Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Wayne Driscoll
I stand corrected. I guess it has been so long since I have coded a GETMAIN, I forgot that both services (STORAGE and GETMAIN) do clear storage in the same cases. Wayne Driscoll -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant

The Paddles (was RE: Interesting CS Course Syllabus)

2008-11-21 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bruno Sugliani On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:04:43 -0800, Skip Robinson wrote: While Dr Rannie is still a dedicated and enthusiastic bearer of the paddles at SHARE, I find it poignant and touching that actual physical

Re: The Paddles (was RE: Interesting CS Course Syllabus)

2008-11-21 Thread Kristine Neely
I wouldn't call them ordinary, but they certainly are real paddles. They are a nice addition to the décor (and weaponry) in my office, especially in the very nice custom box that John Eells hand-crafted for us. If anyone wants photos of the paddles, please let me know I can send one to you.

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Probably the best book to use is the ServerPac: Installing Your Order book that comes with the ServerPac order. Its not a book for beginners, but it is a step by step book that tells you what to do each step of the way. Also, the Planning for Installation book for your release should be read

Re: The Paddles (was RE: Interesting CS Course Syllabus)

2008-11-21 Thread Steven Conway
Um, Kristine, you DO realize that as tall as I am (in your particular case) may be misleading, right? :-) Cheers,,,Steve Steve Conway Lead Systems Programmer Information Systems Services Division Computer Network Operations Phone: (703) 450-3156 Fax:(703) 450-3197 Kristine

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Wayne, I ran a test on both z/OS 1.9 and z/OS 1.10 using the following code and on 1.9 the area was initialized to zeroes and on 1.10 it wasn't: L R6,=F'1000' GETMAIN R,LV=(6) LTR

Re: The Paddles (was RE: Interesting CS Course Syllabus)

2008-11-21 Thread Wayne Driscoll
Darn Steve, you beat me to that comment... Wayne Driscoll Product Developer NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Conway Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 11:37 AM To:

Re: The Paddles (was RE: Interesting CS Course Syllabus)

2008-11-21 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:24:30 -0600, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are just ordinary canoe paddles. To understand what they represent, you need to be familiar with the (American?) expression, Up the creek without a paddle, along with some history that I'll leave to the real old-timers

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
snip Not so fast. It isn't quite that simple. The problem is virtual storage allocation has changed with V1R10. Rather than starting at the top of a page and working down until you have to actually get a new page, GETMAIN/STORAGE allocations start at the bottom of a page and work up. This

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Tom Harper
Jon, If you are trying to infer a difference in GETMAIN behavior here, this test does not do that. I'm fairly certain that in the 1.10 case, the storage was obtained from an existing page, and thus was not cleared. Depending on the storage layout, this could happen in 1.9 as well. If you change

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Edward Jaffe
Veilleux, Jon L wrote: Wayne, I ran a test on both z/OS 1.9 and z/OS 1.10 using the following code and on 1.9 the area was initialized to zeroes and on 1.10 it wasn't: The rules Wayne stated are correct. Just because the operating system doesn't guarantee the storage is zeros, doesn't

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Edward Jaffe
Edward Jaffe wrote: The rules Wayne stated are correct. Sorry. I mis-read Wayne's assertion. He was stating that GETMAIN and STORAGE behaved differently. They don't. The rest of what I wrote below is accurate ... Just because the operating system doesn't guarantee the storage is zeros,

Re: Cancel tso id - IKJEFLN2

2008-11-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:56:01 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: Actually, you're right. Will the OMVS command tolerate a change in screen geometry? Only if your definition of tolerate embraces a badly garbled screen display. Same applies to SDSF. Interesting: o With Peter DiCamillo's X

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
That was my test, I just didn't put all the code in my sample. The first getmain put 100 x's into the area and then freemained it. The second getmain was at the same address but on 1.9 it was zeroed out and on 1.10 it wasn't. Jon L. Veilleux [EMAIL PROTECTED] (860) 636-2683 -Original

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Edward Jaffe
Tom Harper wrote: If you are trying to infer a difference in GETMAIN behavior here, this test does not do that. I'm fairly certain that in the 1.10 case, the storage was obtained from an existing page, and thus was not cleared. Depending on the storage layout, this could happen in 1.9 as well.

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Walt Farrell
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:46:14 -0500, Veilleux, Jon L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wayne, I ran a test on both z/OS 1.9 and z/OS 1.10 using the following code and on 1.9 the area was initialized to zeroes and on 1.10 it wasn't: L R6,=F'1000' GETMAIN R,LV=(6) LTR

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Where did you find the NUCLABEL ENABLE(IGVGPVTN) parameter? I don't see that in any 1.10 document. Jon L. Veilleux [EMAIL PROTECTED] (860) 636-2683 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Friday, November 21,

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
I'm not saying that I agree that GETMAIN should initialize the storage. I am just saying that the way storage is handled has changed in z/OS 1.10 and it bit us in vendor code. As I said earlier, programming 101 says that you should initialize any area you plan on using so, if the program was coded

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Edward Jaffe
Veilleux, Jon L wrote: I'm not saying that I agree that GETMAIN should initialize the storage. I am just saying that the way storage is handled has changed in z/OS 1.10 and it bit us in vendor code. As I said earlier, programming 101 says that you should initialize any area you plan on using so,

Re: The Paddles (was RE: Interesting CS Course Syllabus)

2008-11-21 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
Kristine Neely wrote: box that John Eells hand-crafted for us. If anyone wants photos of the paddles, please let me know I can send one to you. I think they are as tall as I am. Those sound like big photos g The photo I'd really like to see is the one from a seventies SHARE held in

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Ed, thanks much for your responses. I notice that NUCLABEL ENABLE(IGVGPVTN)is not documented in Init and Tuning for z/OS 1.10, however, I will be reading up on the traps. Thanks, Jon Jon L. Veilleux [EMAIL PROTECTED] (860) 636-2683 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: IF/THEN/ELSE checking in JCL

2008-11-21 Thread Howard Brazee
On 21 Nov 2008 06:49:07 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff Holst) wrote: An approach that has been taken in this shop is to place steps that execute a program named BLOWUP after each step that must achieve a specific return code for any of the following steps to execute. Each BLOWUP step checks the

Re: The Paddles (was RE: Interesting CS Course Syllabus)

2008-11-21 Thread Ken Porowski
Session abstract from SHARE might give you a glimpse of what the project was about. In this session, the speaker will moderate as various founders of the OS/MVTMFT Project, which came into being at the Denver SHARE in Spring of 1973, and other mature individuals tell stories of the project, the

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Tom Harper
Jon, What I meant was two consecutive GETMAINS, followed by a FREEMAIN, followed by a GETMAIN. However, the point is, the vendor's code was at risk before the change in operating systems. They were just lucky before. Like Ed said, they should have been testing with options to detect this. The

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
That gives me the x's in the third getmain which comes after the freemain. What I don't understand is why, when allocating from the bottom up, getmain uses the same storage for getmains after a free, but from the top down it uses different storage, I would think that it would reuse the freed up

Re: FALL BACK TIME CHANGE EST

2008-11-21 Thread Hale, Bob
We shutdown TMON-DB2, TMON-CICS and RMF down for an hour. At 2:00 we set the time back to 1:00 and keep running. We do issue the RESET command in the running CICS regions. We do not stop anything else we just keep running. We also change the TIMEZONE so when we did do the next IPL the clock will

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Edward Jaffe
Veilleux, Jon L wrote: Ed, thanks much for your responses. I notice that NUCLABEL ENABLE(IGVGPVTN)is not documented in Init and Tuning for z/OS 1.10, however, I will be reading up on the traps. The TRAPs probably aren't documented either. I believe Bob Shannon described them in a SHARE Bit

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 11/21/2008 01:40:45 PM: I'm not saying that I agree that GETMAIN should initialize the storage. I am just saying that the way storage is handled has changed in z/OS 1.10 and it bit us in vendor code. As I said earlier, programming

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Roland Schiradin
Yep I remember this presentation. Based on this I add some code to SHOWzOS to display those DIAG settings, with help from Jim Mulder, long before D DIAG command was born Roland Veilleux, Jon L wrote: Ed, thanks much for your responses. I notice that NUCLABEL ENABLE(IGVGPVTN)is not documented

Re: IFL Extended to OpenSolaris

2008-11-21 Thread Alan Altmark
There is a variety of confusion. Sorry I've been away for so long. Real Life. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and am not dispensing legal advice. Rather, I am giving my observation of, at the practical level, How The System Works. Hardware: While you may own the machine outright, you do not

TS3500 Tape Library

2008-11-21 Thread Tom Eden
Does anyone have a procedure that they use to input foreign tapes into a TS3500 library? We have tapes that were used at a DR test and want to read them at home. Currently CA-1 sees the volser's as SCRATCH tapes and no DSN (that is it is HEXZEROs). We are afraid if they are injected to the

Oracle 8i (8.1.7.0.2) abend on z/OS 1.8

2008-11-21 Thread Thomas Kern
We are begining our testing of z/OS 1.8. We have 1.6 in production with Oracle 8i working. When we bring up Oracle 8i on the test system, we get an S0C4 abend when it goes to mount the first database. Another view of this problem is an Oracle message error 4123 detected in background process.

Re: TS3500 Tape Library

2008-11-21 Thread John Kelly
snip input foreign tapes into a TS3500 library unsnip If you're simply worried about TMS, then just tell TMS, via JCL, that they are foreign tapes. You'll get a TMS WTOR when you open the tape but that's it. Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office)

SHOWzOS

2008-11-21 Thread Roland Schiradin
In the next few weeks a net beta for SHOWzOS will be available. The zHPF feature and alternate subchannel stuff is still not tested/verified but in progress. After this test I'll deliver this version hopefully before X-Mas. Currently changes *$718

Re: FALL BACK TIME CHANGE EST

2008-11-21 Thread Ken Porowski
AFAIK there is no reason to shut down at the time change. The only exception would be if your applications use local time (eg. Time stamps in data files) that could cause grief. We keep a few of our production CICS AORs down for this reason but leave our test UAT regions up to hopefully catch

Simple IEFBR14 proc

2008-11-21 Thread Howard Brazee
I needed a job for production to run to delete a file (CA-7 determines whether to run this after a FTP). So my test JCL looks like this (after the job card): /*ROUTE PRINT R0010 //TEBP01EXEC TEBP, //

Re: Simple IEFBR14 proc

2008-11-21 Thread Stone, Sandy
Mr. Brazee, doesn't your proc need a PROC statement? s -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 4:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Simple IEFBR14 proc I needed a job for

Re: Simple IEFBR14 proc

2008-11-21 Thread Rabbe, Luke
Code this at the top of the proc //TEBP PROC USER1=NULLFILE And remove the other USER=NULLFILE card. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 3:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject:

Re: Simple IEFBR14 proc

2008-11-21 Thread Richard Peurifoy
Howard Brazee wrote: I needed a job for production to run to delete a file (CA-7 determines whether to run this after a FTP). So my test JCL looks like this (after the job card): /*ROUTE PRINT R0010 //TEBP01EXEC TEBP,

Re: Simple IEFBR14 proc

2008-11-21 Thread Howard Brazee
On 21 Nov 2008 13:42:51 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stone, Sandy) wrote: Mr. Brazee, doesn't your proc need a PROC statement? Oops. I wonder how many procs I have written in my sleep. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: Interesting CS Course Syllabus

2008-11-21 Thread Santosh Kandi
I am glad someone noticed the curriculum at NIU. I graduated from NIU back in 2002 and was fortunate to take Sys Prog class under Dr. Rannie. We built what we called a Student Operating system.Some of the things we did in the couse was to write our own SVC's, FLIH's, and Channel Programs. It

Re: SHOWzOS

2008-11-21 Thread Cebell, David
That figures. Just installed the current one -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roland Schiradin Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 3:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: SHOWzOS In the next few weeks a net beta for SHOWzOS will

Re: FALL BACK TIME CHANGE EST

2008-11-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:46:59 -0600, Hale, Bob wrote: We shutdown TMON-DB2, TMON-CICS and RMF down for an hour. At 2:00 we set the time back to 1:00 and keep running. We do issue the RESET command in the running CICS regions. We do not stop anything else we just keep running. We also change the

Re: FALL BACK TIME CHANGE EST

2008-11-21 Thread Hale, Bob
You assume correct, we don't have Sysplex Timer Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 4:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: FALL BACK TIME CHANGE EST On Fri, 21 Nov 2008

Re: z/OS upgrade

2008-11-21 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:56:18 -0800, Kurt Eastwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all,   I appreciate all the comments I have received so far, thank you all. I do want to add a bit more info to my request for help.   I have supported 3rd party products for several years but have never upgraded

Startio Question

2008-11-21 Thread Lindy Mayfield
Looking at startio makes more sense now after I've gotten hold an S/370 Princ. Op book. If I understand, one uses startio for low level communications with I/O devices. And if I want to go lower I can use instructions like SSCH. (Thanks again Bill F. for the code) But there is one part I am

Re: Startio Question

2008-11-21 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
Lindy Mayfield wrote: like help with. How would one via z/OS software make z/OS think that there is an I/O device attached to a particular channel? In other words, I run some software that makes z/OS think it is a device and then intercept all channel commands to that device. So far

Re: The Paddles (was RE: Interesting CS Course Syllabus)

2008-11-21 Thread Linda Mooney
At Share in Austin, Dr. Rannie will present session 3109, A SHARE'd History of SHARE: The Journey, the People and the Paddles. I attended his session in San Jose. It was great! Don't miss it. Michael Stack, also formerly with NIU, will be presenting his Assembler Boot Camp again at Austin.

Re: Startio Question

2008-11-21 Thread Richard Peurifoy
Lindy Mayfield wrote: Looking at startio makes more sense now after I've gotten hold an S/370 Princ. Op book. If I understand, one uses startio for low level communications with I/O devices. And if I want to go lower I can use instructions like SSCH. (Thanks again Bill F. for the code)

Re: Startio Question

2008-11-21 Thread Anton Britz
Lindy, What are you trying to do ? The BIG picture... not the story of trying to be a Virtual Device in zOS because there is other ways of doing the same thing, that will cost you much less effort ex. Creating your own Sub-system , with all open/clean IBM api's and examples on the Share tape.

Re: Startio Question

2008-11-21 Thread Lindy Mayfield
Well, this was one of the first IBM related things that popped up in Google: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6453277.html A method and system of emulating an input/output (I/O) device in a mainframe environment. A started task executing as part of the operating system gains control of I/O

Re: Startio Question

2008-11-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
How this can be a patent I don't understand. I thought patents were for inventions, and copyrights were for software. Software patents do exist. Some are considered inventions. As a matter oif fact, parts of the open sores community is trying to get software patents disallowed. - Too busy

Re: Startio Question

2008-11-21 Thread Lindy Mayfield
I am trying to understand how things work. I looked at a product (advertised on IBM-Main) that created a virtual DASD which redirected the I/O to a PC file. Cute. I asked the designer of said software how he did the virtual part of it. Answer from the developer: STARTIO. After looking at

Re: Startio Question

2008-11-21 Thread Anton Britz
I do not get it ... understand how things work ? What is your overall objective ? Are you trying to write an Operating System or are you just trying to ask an intelligent question on an IBM email list because the SAS institute does not know what to do with you. Anton Lindy Mayfield

Re: Startio Question

2008-11-21 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/21/2008 5:40:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How would one via z/OS software make z/OS think that there is an I/O device attached to a particular channel? The way z/OS itself attaches a device to a particular channel is with the Modify

Re: Startio Question

2008-11-21 Thread Skip Robinson
I find this patent intriguing. The sources cited at the very bottom of the URL all point to CNT, the major league channel extender company. We ran our initial XRC mirroring for several years over CNT, but this patent does not describe what I've always understood to be 'classic CNT' technology.

Re: Startio Question

2008-11-21 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/21/2008 6:24:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, this was one of the first IBM related things that popped up in Google: _http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6453277.html_ (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6453277.html) Be careful when

Re: Startio Question

2008-11-21 Thread Gibney, Dave
Lay back some Anton, Lindy is trying to learn. I wish I had the time and resources he does to have such fun. I just started following some of the Herc lists again. It's been informative to say the least. Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State Univsersity -Original

Re: Startio Question

2008-11-21 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/21/2008 6:26:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and after looking at the S/370 books I see the SIO x'9C' instruction which made me think about STARTIO again. On a S/370, the machine instruction SIO (x'9C') was named Start I/O. It was a

Re: Startio Question

2008-11-21 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (, IBM Mainframe Discussion List) writes: The way z/OS itself attaches a device to a particular channel is with the Modify Subchannel (MSCH) instruction. This

Re: Startio Question

2008-11-21 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main as well. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008q.html#33 Startio Question ... oh ... recent post http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008p.html#50 with copy of old email

Re: Startio Question

2008-11-21 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Skip Robinson) writes: At some point in the late 90s, NSC got sold to CNT, its former arch rival whose core technology was entirely different. It looks as if CNT filed this patent for RDS technology that had been commercially available for 15 years from a different vendor.

Re: HSM DASD Backup volumes

2008-11-21 Thread Brian Westerman
I don't think it matters much to HSM, but I have always tried to keep the number of spill volumes very low, (if any at all). Sorry I can't provide better information on this, and I think I should know this one, but I can't find anything that says it's a bad thing to do, it just feels bad to me.

AUTO: Alan Brown is out of the office on vacation. (returning 12/01/2008)

2008-11-21 Thread Alan Brown
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Laurence S K LAU/HTSA/HSBC is out of the office.

2008-11-21 Thread Laurence Lau
I will be out of the office starting 21 Nov 2008 and will not return until 8 Dec 2008. For urgent matter, please contact my teammate James Lai at 3663-8603, Lotus note :- James C P LAI/HTSA/HSBC -

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