Re: Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend

2009-01-23 Thread Guy Gardoit
Eh, yeah, it's ok to be a dreamer I guess. It will be politics as usual. Wall Street is a joke. Guy Gardoit z/OS Systems Programming On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Anton Britz antonbr...@gmail.com wrote: ..snip *Hopefully Obama will address this issue soon and black-list all these

Re: Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend

2009-01-23 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip-- .Wall Street is a joke. -unsnip-- Except that it long ago ceased to be funny HA HA and became funny PECULIAR. -- Rick -- Remember that if you’re not the lead dog, the view never

Re: Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend

2009-01-21 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
Swoyer makes some good observations ... I guess we all know where this leads to. Look at Windoze. If anything goes wrong, you're lost. The support people ask you to first try rebooting and see if it helps..., then we'll have to do a reinstall I'm not saying, that making products easier to

Re: Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend

2009-01-21 Thread Tony Harminc
2009/1/20 Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com: Swoyer makes some good observations ... http://www.esj.com/news/article.aspx?EditorialsID=3475 An interesting phrase in there: freshly minted IT pros. I was freshly minted 30-something years ago, but I sure wasn't a pro. Tony H.

Re: Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend

2009-01-21 Thread Rick Fochtman
--snip-- Swoyer makes some good observations ... http://www.esj.com/news/article.aspx?EditorialsID=3475 An interesting phrase in there: freshly minted IT pros. I was freshly minted 30-something years ago, but I sure wasn't a pro.

Re: Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend

2009-01-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
And on what flavor of boxen? In my mind, Windoze doesn't produce IT pros. Hear! Hear! My 15-year old son can debug most windows problems he encounters. Of course, he's had a lot of practice! (8-{[} - Too busy driving to stop for gas!

Re: Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend

2009-01-21 Thread Edward Jaffe
And, IBM shares look good in the face of a upbeat forecast for 2009. http://www.schaeffersresearch.com/commentary/content/ibm+corp+soars+on+positive+2009+earnings+outlook/observations.aspx?click=homeID=90641 -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800

Re: Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend

2009-01-21 Thread esst...@juno.com
According to a good source at IBM, IBM announced a job action this morning, where they are letting veterans with 30 - 35 years of experience with big blue go. Click to book your dream cruise.

Re: Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend

2009-01-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
According to a good source at IBM, IBM announced a job action this morning, where they are letting veterans with 30 - 35 years of experience with big blue go. Always a good idea. Let the people with the knowledge go. No wonder nobody understands System z anymore! (8-{[} - Too busy driving to

Re: Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend

2009-01-21 Thread Anton Britz
Hi, I still do not understand how these companies, listed on Wall Street can use their Labor force as a Make our Financial Results look good resource ? Exxon Mobil did it.. Before announcing record profits.. then outsourced to Brazil etc. Lehman Bros. did it and then announced record profits

Re: Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend

2009-01-21 Thread Hal Merritt
: Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend Hi, I still do not understand how these companies, listed on Wall Street can use their Labor force as a Make our Financial Results look good resource ? Exxon Mobil did it.. Before announcing record profits.. then outsourced

Re: Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend

2009-01-21 Thread Jon Brock
In that case, I'd be safe! snip Always a good idea. Let the people with the knowledge go. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET

Re: Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend

2009-01-21 Thread John McKown
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:55:22 -0600, Anton Britz antonbr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I still do not understand how these companies, listed on Wall Street can use their Labor force as a Make our Financial Results look good resource ? snip Single word: greed. On the part of management and the

Re: Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend

2009-01-21 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main as well. joa...@swbell.net (John McKown) writes: Single word: greed. On the part of management and the investors. To the nether world with the future, give me an immediate payoff. That explains

Re: Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend

2009-01-21 Thread Anton Britz
Hi, Your first article was created by KPMG , an audit, tax and advisory firm in the USA.. that we all can trust, such as ACCENTURE... registered in BERMUDA so that they pay no taxes in the USA legally. Sounds like what we heard for 8 years : Cut Taxes for Corporates and spend more because

Re: Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend

2009-01-21 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend you mean: GAO Reports Bailout and Tech Firms Love Tax Havens http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/17/1815221 Bailed-Out Firms Have Tax Havens, GAO Finds http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/01/16

Re: Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend

2009-01-21 Thread tomas_anderson
I am not sure of that. The Indians and Chinese are much cheaper. 在2009-01-22?04:21:57,Jon?Brock?jbr...@ghs.org?写道: In?that?case,?I'd?be?safe! snip Always?a?good?idea. Let?the?people?with?the?knowledge?go. /snip --

Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend

2009-01-20 Thread Edward Jaffe
Swoyer makes some good observations ... http://www.esj.com/news/article.aspx?EditorialsID=3475 -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/