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Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 11:34 AM
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Subject: Re: TSO Profile NUM and PACK
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Sequence numbers provide convenient tags
On Wed, 4 May 2011 09:07:15 -0400, Farley, Peter wrote:
The first thing I do these days when editing a program for maintenance
is UNNUM. I edit on TN3270E 50x132 almost all the time, and I find
that the visual clutter of sequence numbers is far too visually confusing.
I use a wide display
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2011 09:07:15 -0400, Farley, Peter wrote:
The first thing I do these days when editing a program for maintenance
is UNNUM. I edit on TN3270E 50x132 almost all the time, and I find
that the visual clutter
In listserv%201105031805358294.1...@bama.ua.edu, on 05/03/2011
at 06:05 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
CDC did this, sort of.
Il va sans dire ;-)
At least in the systems that I saw on th 6400; I'm not sure what they
used on the 3600.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz,
In listserv%201105040857073272.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 05/04/2011
at 08:57 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com said:
I use a wide display too. With NUMBER ON, the sequence numbers are
not displayed.
?
Are you perhaps thinking of BROWSE? EDIT and VIEW displayed sequence
numbers when the
AHHH, speak French to me Tish.
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Behalf Of Tom Marchant
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On Wed, 4 May 2011 09:07:15 -0400, Farley, Peter wrote:
The first
In
985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c21d230c...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com,
on 05/04/2011
at 09:07 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com
said:
I disagree. The existence and intelligent use of labeled blocks of
code (paragraphs and sections in COBOL, Procedures in PL/1, labels
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By intelligent use do you mean plcing labels
On Wed, 4 May 2011 13:23:24 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In listserv%201105040857073272.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 05/04/2011
at 08:57 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com said:
I use a wide display too. With NUMBER ON, the sequence numbers are
not displayed.
Are you perhaps
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea005d9901...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom,
on 05/02/2011
at 09:23 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said:
Are you humor impaired?
Are you a failed comedian?
Or maybe you've just be around the government too long.
Or maybe I just understand the issues
Then explain them to this poor fool. I find them to be a useless
anachronism. And your answers tend to be so short as to be unhelpful.
--
John McKown
Maranatha!
Sent from my Vibrant Android phone.
On May 3, 2011 8:03 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:
In
Perhaps he is referring to IEBUPDTE? I don't know of anyone who maintains
code that way, but there might be someone out there who does.
Personally, I have been campaigning against the use of sequence numbers in
Cobol programs for years.
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:03, John McKown
On Tue, 3 May 2011 09:03:12 -0500, John McKown wrote:
Then explain them to this poor fool. I find them to be a useless
anachronism. And your answers tend to be so short as to be unhelpful.
PACK, surely. Nowadays, that function is best left to microcode
in the DASD subsystem so it can be
Starting back in OS/360 days, user modifications utilized the sequence
number to indicate where to apply the various multiple user
modifications against the base operating system source code. I know
our site was still using JES2 user modifications until about 4 years
ago. This has mostly been
John,
If he explained what he was talking about, then he wouldn't be able to keep
telling you that you are wrong!
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:03 AM, John McKown
john.archie.mck...@gmail.comwrote:
Then explain them to this poor fool. I find them to be a useless
anachronism. And your answers tend
OK, I know about IEBUPDTE. I guess that is needed for source code updates.
Personally, I prefer the UNIX patch command. OCO has decreased the need for
source updates. JES and PARMLIB members are all that come to mind.
Please forgive spelling errors. I'm not using my work email anymore. I'm
using
paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) writes:
I've long wondered, if sequence numbers are so valuable, why
haven't they spread outside the progeny of unit record systems?
cms multi-level source update infrastructure relied on sequence numbers
... started out with cp67/cms and the cms update
On Tue, 3 May 2011 11:58:15 -0400, Scott Rowe wrote:
If he explained what he was talking about, then he wouldn't be able to keep
telling you that you are wrong!
That's a fallacy which I can refute by citing John G. (and lately
Chris M.) as counterexamples.
-- gil
Some CA Technologies's products still try to.
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Don Leahy
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Perhaps he is referring
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#80 TSO Profile NUM and PACK
Note: UNIX traces some of its history back to CTSS by way of MULTICS
done on 5th flr of 545 tech sq. VM370/CMS also traces history back to
CTSS by way of CP67/CMS and CP40/CMS done (at science center) on 4th flr
of 545 tech
Post top don't please.
In BANLkTi=FQV645x9Q5=ecgvhu5uggscd...@mail.gmail.com, on 05/03/2011
at 09:03 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said:
Then explain them to this poor fool. I find them to be a useless
anachronism. And your answers tend to be so short as to be
unhelpful.
My
In banlktikkqwomtt1wuu2b6lmkjbqwd-v...@mail.gmail.com, on 05/03/2011
at 10:17 AM, Don Leahy don.le...@leacom.ca said:
Perhaps he is referring to IEBUPDTE?
No, not IEBUPDAT. I'd use IEBUPDETX in preference to either of those.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
ISO
On Tue, 3 May 2011 11:38:21 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In listserv%201105030935402679.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 05/03/2011
at 09:35 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
I've long wondered, if sequence numbers are so valuable, why haven't
they spread outside the progeny of unit
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea005d9901...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom,
on 04/13/2011
at 07:57 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said:
Not really. NUM ON is for history so that if you ever physically
punch the cards and drop them, you can put them back in order using
your handy card
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[mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Donnelly, John P
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 3:35 PM
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We had some difficulties with a critical FTP transmission
over
, April 12, 2011 1:35 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: TSO Profile NUM and PACK
We had some difficulties with a critical FTP transmission over this past
weekend caused by the in card columns 73-80.
Our Application Business Manager has posed two questions:
Can you share with me any
We had some difficulties with a critical FTP transmission over this past
weekend caused by the in card columns 73-80.
Our Application Business Manager has posed two questions:
Can you share with me any compelling reasons for the NUM ON and PACK ON?
If no compelling reasons, what can be
Of Donnelly, John P
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 1:35 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: TSO Profile NUM and PACK
We had some difficulties with a critical FTP transmission over this
past
weekend caused by the in card columns 73-80.
Our Application Business Manager has posed two
W dniu 2011-04-12 22:34, Donnelly, John P pisze:
We had some difficulties with a critical FTP transmission over this past
weekend caused by the in card columns 73-80.
Our Application Business Manager has posed two questions:
Can you share with me any compelling reasons for the NUM ON
: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 1:35 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: TSO Profile NUM and PACK
We had some difficulties with a critical FTP transmission over this past
weekend caused by the in card columns 73-80.
Our Application Business Manager has posed two questions:
Can you share with me
P.S. I like to use ISPF sequence numbering because it embeds the modification
level in columns 79 and 80. This makes it easier to track the changes that
have been made to members for each incarnation. Just my personal preference.
I tend to agree, especially for PARMLIB.
But, I stopped with
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From: Starr, Alan alan_st...@calpers.ca.gov
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date: 04/12/2011 04:05 PM
Subject:Re: TSO Profile NUM and PACK
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I wrote a IMACRO clist to set my desired defaults. After it runs, the
user can change any setting they want.
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com wrote:
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4. There is no simple way to enforce any particular ISPF edit profile
values. Even if you provide
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