I read somewhere yesterday (latest z/Journal?) that IBM has a speciality
engine loaner program that lets you eval the engine for up to 90 days. If
that's appealing to you, check with your IBM rep for the terms.
-Rob
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We asked our IBM Business Partner to do a study of PSLC + MULC pricing vs
WLC on our Z890 machine. We have a number of required big ticket products
that get almost zero utilization on our machine and we thought it might be a
useful study. We provided the BP with a list of eligible products from
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get a reality check on this one quote that doesn't make sense.
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So I was just
curious as to how other shops are dealing with faxing from the mainframe?
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grant SELECT to other users.
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at that. If it could be folded
into
the monthly cost of DB2 it would be a no brainer. That particular OTC happens
to exceed a magic number for this organization that makes approval difficult
(long story).
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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:39:40 +0100, R.S.
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Where can I find further information (some RTFM) ?
According to notes in a blocksize calc exec I wrote years ago, the track
layout and calculations are documented in sc26-4574 3390 dasd in an mvs
environment. I can't seem to
On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 12:22:31 +0330, legolas wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Does DB2 work in the same manner, I mean db2 for windows and linux are
alike?
I know that some features that are available in windows and *nix based
version are not available in zOS. I will not use them.
z/OS DB2 tends to
Does anyone have any experience determining what service class was
assigned to a given IMS transaction? The IMS log records do not appear to
have this information.
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I can read the WLM classification rules, but I'm looking to validate my
assumptions about the rules as well as provide historical reporting.
For example, DB2 accounting records (SMF 101) provides the service class
name assigned to a given transaction.
For IMS, the type 30 log record contains
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:36:39 -0500, McKown, John
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I'm willing to bet that it will be OK. Anybody else remember when a
non-executable load module in SYS1.LPALIB caused the system to be
non-IPLable?
I got bit by this once. Managed to escape by not doing CLPA. Is this still
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:40:13 -0400, Martin, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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All,
We have production jobs that read tapes that come from outside our
company. Because we cannot
predict what the internal tape volsers will be, our production jobs have
been setup to use
BLP. (the volsers for these
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:54:15 -0500, Rugen, Len [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We are upgrading from z/OS 1.4 to 1.7. From SDSF and IOF we can issue
console commands. Using MIM, we can route commands to other LPARS, at
least we can from the 1.4 systems. Something in 1.7 has broken the
routing, for
I have (2) 3172-001 I'm no longer using. They are free to anyone who wants
them, you arrange and pay shipping.
Contact me off list if you're interested.
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:04:35 -0500, Benjamin White
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Where is some code to process Z/Series packed decimal? I know it is not a
primative data type. Is there any conversion routines?
You might want to take a look at the JRIO classes as referenced by this
post:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:22:35 +0100, Jim McAlpine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Rob, do you run this directly from TSO.
Jim McAlpine
Yes, batch TSO. It runs as part of a program generation job. Could run
foreground TSO if we had an application.
-Rob
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:12:16 -0700, Edward Jaffe
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My objection was to your assertion that the use of sequence numbers is
now 'obsolete'. That would be a valid statement only if a viable
alternative to their use for source-maintained programs existed.
Unfortunately, one
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:25:00 +0100, Jim McAlpine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Are ther any CVS clients available that allow source to be brought into PDS
datasets as opposed to HFS file systems.
I update CVS indirectly from PDS members. I accomplsh this by using a
bridge exec that OCOPYs the PDS
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I have a copy of the stack trace from the Tomcat issue, and I am taking
it up with some people who should be able to point me in the right
direction. I'm thinking it is most likely either an installation or
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Hi Surendar,
Check out Yahoo Group MVSQuest.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MVSQuest/
They have a lot of information about mainframe training in India. Welcome
to the mainframe world and good luck to you.
-Rob
On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 04:42:48 -0800, surender netha
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I
On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:20:37 -0600, Bob H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I had a guy ask me for a way convert a flat file from mixed to uppercase
only, in place, in batch.
Im probably overthinking this request but I came up with a batch job that
calls an edit macro.
And although the macro works in
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:46:53 -0500, Bruce Black [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Assuming you are talking about RECFM=FB,
a blocksize of 7000 gets 6 blocks per track or 42000 bytes/track
a blocksize of 21000 (half-track) also gets 42000 bytes/track, no
difference.
By my calculation (verified by
I've got a 3494 tape library in manual mode due to a hardware problem.
In manual mode, tape mount request appear on the 3494 Library Server
console and the operator pulls the tape from the library storage slot and
inserts it into the drive.
When in manual mode, no tape mount message appears on
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:28:38 -0500, George Bly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There was talk of mainframe connectors? There were tools that could
measure
mainframe stress(os, cics, disk, cpu) but no specifics. The mainframe is
a
one engine 192mip we handle 1,767,000 transactions during an 8 hour day.
On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:55:48 -0600, Rob Wunderlich
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If using the CICS or DB2 preprocessor, see APAR PQ81622. We had to revert
to using the pre-processor to get large programs to compile.
Correction, should be DB2 *co*processor
On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:31:47 -0600, Alan C. Field
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Now we have it back and some of the source won't compile. Enterprose 3.3.1
compiler.
By that I mean the 140,000 source line program blows the compiler.
We're seeing the following abend now:
IEA705I ERROR DURING GETMAIN
We recently converted our DB2 CCSID from 500 (a long ago default) to CP37
to fix some translation problems and prepare for DB2 V8. This was not a
trival exercise. We chose CP37 and have been stanardizing our compilers,
terminal emulators, etc.
I'm now finding that many of our open systems
Neal Eckhardt wrote:
We currently access MVS datasets from AIX. Has anybody been able to
use NFS from Windows or Novell? There do not appear to be MVSLOGIN,etc
programs supplied.
You can access MVS Datasets from Windows using the zos DFS SMB server. No
client programs other than standard
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:06:48 -0600, Schlehuber, Patrick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Starting this week I am now experiencing HMC failures IPL'ing my z/OS
systems. My load profiles look correct, but I now receive an error
stating The load address is not configured in the partition and
displays a
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:18:55 -0700, Steve Comstock
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$tjobclass(*),command=execute
Then update JES2PARM. No need to recycle JES or IPL or anything at all
Thanks, John. But some of the other experiments
worked without even changing JESPARMS. I'm good
to go.
Steve,
I
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:01:19 -0600, Alan Schwartz
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We've had many times that our Customers IDCAMS DELETE statements fail due
to a
DATASET IN USE condition. We would like to somehow trigger a GRS display
or perform
a GQSCAN at the time this occurs but have been unable to
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:32:16 +0100, TISLER Zaromil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AUSTRIA.COM wrote:
- what time should be written in the operlog?
Syslog uses local. Not sure about operlog, I don't use it.
- what time should be written in the sysplex coupling datasets, logger
coupling datasets?
UTC
- what
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:54:53 -0600, Roger Wasley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Evening all.
I am trying to make a CLIST more generic by using a DDname not the DATASET
absolute value .
I.E
ISPSTART CMD(%RDVEWCLR) BDISPMAX(9900)
not
ISPSTART CMD(%RDVEWCLR PSFTS.ALLDB DRT2) BDISPMAX(9900)
By using the
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:48:02 -0600, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is always something that can break, although I have never heard
of UADS breaking.
You just did :)
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:25:15 -0700, Steve Comstock
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The problem is it needs a version of JAVA that is in conflict with the
JAVA we run. We have some older apps that need the version we run. The
slow dance has been around trying this and that to get it to work to no
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 04:06:51 -0600, Andy Robertson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A while back I wrote (largely for my own amusement) a dialog to take a
COBOL
copy book, compile it, and generate a Java class that could be used to map
and access it.
1) Is there any freeware or shareware already
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:41:54 -0500, David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
z/OS is an awesome platform, but we really need as a group to get over
this
silly anti-Windows thing.
Sorry, but um, no.
We need to accommodate our Windows customers, sure -- they've been taken
in and there's little we
request is read, end transaction when response is written)
into the code? I'm aware that I'll need to do this part in ASM. Are the
services to do this function a documented interface? Can someone point me
to some doc or macros on how to go about this? Am I missing an easier way?
Thanks,
-Rob
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:07:43 -0600, Craddock, Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You sure can! There is even a book - pretty good as such books go -
called SA22-7619 MVS Programming: Workload Management Services. It tells
you all you need to know.
Thanks Chris! That's just what I was looking for.
On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:51:25 -0200, Helio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Friends
It would like a help of you, when I enter in the panel of DB2TOOL option
1(DB2 System Catalog), later option K, and in front of a packages I inform
the command SQ, I am receiving the following error message,
IBM0534S
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:33:12 -0500, McGee, Cletus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I am new to this company here and one of the things they do is to shut
the system down on the fall time change and wait one hour before they
bring the system back up. Outside of scheduler issues, is there any
reason to do
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:31:03 -0500, McKown, John
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Has anybody on the other side tried to use this as an argument that
z/OS is so poorly designed that it cannot stand changing the clock
without an outage? Around here, any glitch, however minor, is taken up
by the Windows
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:39:22 -0500, Kinney, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
We're trying to do an mget on PC files. They're in the format; BLAH1.TXT,
BLAH2.TXT, etc. And we can't rename the PC files. (@#$%!!)
I've got a front end exec to FTP called MAXITRAN. It provides some
scripting
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:27:20 -0500, Dave Cartwright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hmmm. The application is IMS DB/DC which runs highish priority. User access
is by TCP/IP which is SYSSTC through a couple of session managers also
SYSSTC.
Is this a sort of IND$FILE through IMS/DC/TM? You may be able to
I created this handy Vista emulator macro for looking up messages via the
web version of lookat. It provides for launching lookat for a msgid in any
terminal window. Assign the macro to a mouse click (I use ctl-left double
click). Point at the message id, hold ctl and double click, and the message
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:39:40 -0600, Lester, Bob
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Hi All,
What's everyone running for TN3270 emulation these days?
Vista.
http://www.tombrennansoftware.com
Chock full of mainframe friendly editing features and reasonably priced.
-Rob
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:49:18 -0500, Jerry Ragland
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
STR14,VTMPARM+12
LAR01,VTMPARM
WTO 'B BPXI'
L R15,=V(BPX1MPI)
BALR R14,R15
Jerry,
Take a look at the expansion of the WTO macro in the SYSPRINT output of the
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:57:17 +0330, Mehrdad Rastegar
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Hi all,
In IMS V6R1, How a LOST POINTER may be created in a database and how we
can prevent the Abend U0852 in batch process?
Mehrdad,
You'll have better luck getting an answer to this on the IMS-L list.
See:
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:19:27 -0500, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seems to me that a .PDF should qualify as an unstructured character
string of arbitrary length, as far as JES is concerned. Whatever utility
we
use to copy it could break it up into, e.g., fixed-length records of
(say)
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:38:36 +0100, Jim McAlpine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I use a non SMP/E install for Java. I don't really see the point of the
extra complexity of the SMP/E install when the whole thing gets replaced
anyway. BTW we don't use DB2 OLAP. I only mentioned that because it was
the
Does anyone know or have a reference as to when the 3490-C2A drives first
shipped? I'm not trying to start a history thread. It's budget time and we
love to throw in those currently used technology is n years old...
statements.
Thanks,
Rob
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:41:52 EDT, Ed Finnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can you trend it with failure analysis and/or maintenance costs?
We had a spate after about 4 yrs where the little synch rollers
got too small and would fail on highspeed rewind.
Ed,
Yes, our proposal also includes these
On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:04:33 +0200, Andy Corpes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
links to documents describing issues or problems that may be encountered.
with them.
Good redbook on PDSE:
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg246106.pdf
If you are running IMS, take a look at APAR II14026 if you're
On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:09:57 -0700, Ray Mullins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For the young 'uns - there were always efforts to see how few lines an APL
program would be. I knew of someone who wrote an entire data base system
in
a program that was about a half-page. It was a delimited data base,
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:22:21 -0300, Eduardo Toledo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi guys,
In our shop, we are running CICS TS 2.2, on a z/OS 1.4. Our monitor ( the
Mainview) tell us that we run something around of 200MM transactions a day
in average.
How can I collect (using th MCT concepts),
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:15:58 -0400, jason lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is their a way to deleted a RACF Group and keep the dataset profiles.
The RACF 1.4 CLR manual states for the DELETE GROUP command:
snip
The group must not have any group data sets (data sets whose names are
qualified by the
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:34:00 -0700, Alexander I. Vasilenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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We've developed a
tecnology for synchronize TOD-clock with external time server.
I'll bite. Please share your solution with us.
-Rob
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:14:11 +0200, Ceruti, Gerard G
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Hi Folks
We are looking to place all out VTAM datasets under SMS control, not the
DSN's on the IPL volume, has anyone done this and not gone forward with
it?.
I'm guessing you are referring to the datasets used in the
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 01:27:05 -0600, Paul Gilmartin
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HTML, which, like XML, is a descendant of SGML, provides the
encodings lt;,
gt;, and amp; for these three characters. Does XML provide nothing
similar?
Yes, amp; is typically used in XML as well. Have you tried it?
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:08:36 -0500, Bobby Brake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I would like to ask the group is what are some
strategies for batch processing without virtual tape?
We use DFSMS Tape Mount Management (TMM).
-Rob
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:58:54 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Several responses in this thread mentioned that the PC world can't
run or isn't an audience for the contents of the CBT tape. I don't
understand that comment, as the CBT tape is already publicly
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:37:34 +0930, Fred Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi folks.
I'm looking for a way of automatically verifying that all Filesystems
specified in BPXPRMxx were successfully mounted at IPL.
We've currently got a rather ugly REXX that chains through MVS control
blocks to
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:51:01 +0200, Thomas Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Have anyone tried or even succeded using the new DB2-commands/SQL GET
DIAGNOSTICS etc through DSNREXX ?
Or have some experiences using it otherwise (not in a rexx/DSNREXX) ?
Thomas,
My take from the doc is that GET
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:02:20 -0700, Raymond Noal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I am more familiar with REXX under z/VM CMS and in this environment there
is
a statement - VMFCLEAR - that you can use to clear the terminal screen for
additional output and not cause the screen display to 'scroll'.
Is
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:11:24 +0200, Thomas Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks.
The first references I got didn't mention that.
It's a pity, it looked really interesting.
With DSNREXX, the same information that GET DIAGNOSTICS provides is in
the SQLERRD.3 field of the SQLCA.
I believe GET
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:37:51 -0700, Barry Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The stolen status means the alias used to belong to a different load
module. Any chance that could be part of the problem?
Was the linkedit run on the same image as where the abend106 occurred? Is
this an LLA managed lib?
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 18:18:01 -0400, Bob Bonhard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is anyone aware of a command or utility that can be used from TSO or
ISPF to provide z/OS Unix mount information. I'd ultimately like to be
able to go to ISPF Data Set List Utility (=3.4), bring up a list of
HFS/ZFS data
extension. If you have Java programmers on staff and want to consider this
as an alternative, contact me offline and I'll see if I can get an OK to
share the code.
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On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 00:00:00 GMT, Ted MacNEIL
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When you use TCP/IP on the mainframe is a CMC still required?
No.
My understanding of CMC is a seperate LPAR to front-end communications.
This is not required to use TCP/IP. All that is required is a properly
configured TCPIP
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:40:26 -0400, Craig Kittendorf
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Is that recommendation in an IBM manual so that it satisfies management?
From the ABCs of z/OS System Programming Volume 2 - SG24-6982
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/SG246982/06-069.htm
-Rob
quote
Page data
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:24:34 -0400, Adams, Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The ispf 3.1 utility screen is great to print the stats of a pds by
member, how do I do this via batch?
Tracy,
Check out this thread for various options:
http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0408L=ibm-mainm=207165P=187612
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:44:55 -0400, Adams, Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have had some great suggestions, just to be a little more specific,
what I am looking for is member name and last update fields. SAS and
the LISTDS commands provides the names but not the dates.
The EXEC shown here:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:51:59 +0200, Beate Kawelke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SYSTEMS.COM wrote:
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Hi folks,
we are considering using WSED for our (heavily HLASM-based) development.
We have looked into the documentation etc. but we would like to hear from
any
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 00:00:00 GMT, Ted MacNEIL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
To avoid having the modules loaded into each address space which are large
we put them in LPA
...
I know the reasons, I have just been recommending against it for over 15
years.
Still call SASLPA; just don't put it into
In a message dated 7/13/2005 8:36:05 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have a user who turned off the conformation delete notification in ISPF
option 3.4.
How can I get it turned back of for him?
Also can use commands CONFIRM ON / CONFIRM OFF.
-Rob
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 13:19:20 EDT, Ed Finnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Forget the session, why don't you send the program to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) ???
There is a KSDSPACE program from Jan Jakubek on CBT file 394. I've used the
program in the past and been quite pleased with
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:36:29 -0400, Stocker, Herman
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In SDSF I have set as:
PREFIX=* DEST=(ALL) OWNER=HERMAN SORT=End-Date//D End-Time//D SYSNAME=
If I change the set the prefix to a job name and level the owner the
display
is empty. Not until I have set the owner to
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:26:15 +0200, DOMINGUEZ MARTIN, ANGEL LUIS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The program to see and/or modify this field can be found free in MVS UPDATE
of XEPHON at http://www.xephon.com/arcframe/f001a02
Excellent. This code is just what I needed. Works a charm. Thank you.
-Rob
z/os 1.4, RACF. I'm trying to display the TSO PROFILE PREFIX() value for
another user. Where is this value stored? I believe it is stored in RACF
somewhere, but I can't figure out how to display it.
Thanks,
Rob Wunderlich
dataset. I'm after
a TSO profile value, not an ISPF profile value.
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field, which means I can't display the value for another user. I'll take a
look at the unload utility output. Thanks.
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Miklos Szigetvari wrote:
Hi
I would like to have something converts the JCL, exactly as it is in
your sample.
It is a lot easier to read an xml document rather than writing ones own
JCL parser.
Many years ago I write a JCL parser in REXX. It parses and loads the
various JCL elements into an
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind
Hello all,
I'm trying to find the file FTP.DATA.
More then likely it should have a name like HLQ.FTP.DATA but
I can't find it in my system the way it is presented here.
FTP.DATA is a generic name.
On Wed, 18 May 2005 15:21:19 +0100, Davage, Marcus
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How do you load an assembler table in Rexx and find out it's base address?
How about:
/* rexx */
say loadit('*(somemod)') /* Using standard search */
say loadit('my.private.lib(somemod)') /* For specific lib */
exit
A of my colleague has asked me a COBOL (not my langauge) question. He is
using the construct below. His objective is to minimize storage
requirements. My RFTM does not make it clear if the use of DEPENDING ON
actually results in less getmained storage (assuming LP-TOKEN-COUNT
9) than without
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