Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped
In a message dated 5/17/2007 2:08:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the number is meaningless until you know what it is measuring, even if it is accurate. Of course, there's no reason to believe that it's accurate. See the 16 MAY 2007 Dilbert for additional info on meaninglessness and accuracy of numbers: _http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070516.html_ (http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070516.html) Bill Fairchild Plainfield, IL ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped
In my forty years of experience dealing with IBM and its customer services organization, I have found IBM to be the most customer-centric vendor out there. So it begs the question that since Vista is about to become the PC standard, why has IBM seemed to take such a cavalier attitude about getting a fairly important desktop utility up to snuff. It's just not like them at all. And by the way, I understand that the correct spelling of the Redmond company's name is Micro$oft and that they report what they want to report. Not defending them, but they are a reality. Have a good weekend all. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped
On Fri, 18 May 2007 07:59:08 -0500, Mark Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my forty years of experience dealing with IBM and its customer services organization, I have found IBM to be the most customer-centric vendor out there. So it begs the question that since Vista is about to become the PC standard, why has IBM seemed to take such a cavalier attitude about getting a fairly important desktop utility up to snuff. It's just not like them at all. IBM software was slow to support XP and other newer M$SOFT software also. RMF spreadsheet reporter, HCM, ISPF GUI - just to name a few. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group: G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS and OS390 expert at http://searchDataCenter.com/ateExperts/ Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped
In response to SCR, I am so glad to discover that I am not alone in my 'unappreciation' of the product. I am installing 1.7 via ServerPac. I was able to download the manuals and extract them. I had some extra work to do, but, I am using the PDF versions and am quite happy just 'pointing clicking' to read the manual. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Yuhas Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped We use Quick-Ref which has the Data Areas as well. I asked if Quick-Ref was going to supply the Data Areas after IBM drops them. Here is the reply: 'IBM is not removing the z/OS Data Areas manuals from public availability entirely. They only intend to remove the BookManager form of the manuals from their z/OS public documentation web site. PDF versions of the Data Areas manuals will continue to be available on the public IBM web sites. . . . Comments on IBM-MAIN seem to have caused the misunderstanding on future z/OS data areas availablity. The data areas manuals are not going away. We got this information directly from IBM. The BookManager versions of z/OS data areas are being dropped for IBM business reasons. PDF copies of the manuals will be around for many years to come, ...' SNIP Seems that the ID people involved do not understand what they stated in the ETR I have open. And, they also said that JES2/3 Data Areas are available via PDF. However, I can't seem to find those for z/OS 1.7 thru 1.9. Anyone have a link to the JES2/3 Data Areas for these levels? Regards, Steve Thompson -- STD Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by this poster do not necessarily represent those of the attorneys or BOD of poster's employer. -- Bugs Bunny did NOT approve this posting. Please vote for me, I'm running for the City Limits. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/16/2007 at 06:56 AM, Mark Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If we can believe Bill Gates last pronouncement that Microsoft has already sold more than 40 million copies of Vista, AND if sold means what you think it does. With m$ it rarely does. Buy a machine from a vendor that sells vista preinstalled on every machine, install Linux, *bsd or Solaris and that counts as a vista sale. For that matter, the systems with vista preinstalled will count as vista sales even if the have not been sold and even if they wind up never being sold. Buy a machine with the wrong version of vista preinstalled, install the correct version and that counts as two sales. There are more scenarios, but that's enough to make the point that the number is meaningless until you know what it is measuring, even if it is accurate. Of course, there's no reason to believe that it's accurate. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/15/2007 at 10:28 PM, Greg Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I think I've still got my Just say NO to OCO T-shirt that I bought at a NaSTEC. You can have mine when they pry it out of my cold dead fingers ;-) -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/15/2007 at 07:16 AM, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The data areas books have forever been generated automatically from macros; I don't recall when the change occurred, but the OS/360 System Control Blocks was not automatically generated. FWIW, automatic generation has its advantages for the customer *IF* all of the relevant data are in the mapping macros and the tools are properly written. However, pointer diagrams have their uses and it's hard to see how you could automatically generate those. at least in the past 20 years For me forever is longer than 20 years. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped
Of course, reading the softcopy manuals has become very difficult as well. Library Reader is no longer available (unless, of course you happen to have a very old library distribution - probably prior to 2001 or 2002 - laying around). Softcopy Reader doesn't work properly, or at all, under Windows Vista. I opened an ETR to ask about this a couple of months ago and basically IBM's response was that SCR is not Vista ready but since it's a free product and they will get an update when they get to an update. If we can believe Bill Gates last pronouncement that Microsoft has already sold more than 40 million copies of Vista, then IBM really ought to get a Vista ready SCR out to its customers. Fortunately, the last version of Library Reader still basically works under Vista the although some functions (particularly the mouse scroll wheel) no longer function. If anyone on the list needs a copy, reply to me offline and I'll send you a .zip file with it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped
Mark Baron wrote: Of course, reading the softcopy manuals has become very difficult as well. Library Reader is no longer available (unless, of course you happen to have a very old library distribution - probably prior to 2001 or 2002 - laying around). AFAIK it is still available, but hidden - it's hard to find it out on IBM pages. Softcopy Reader doesn't work properly, or at all, under Windows Vista. I opened an ETR to ask about this a couple of months ago and basically IBM's response was that SCR is not Vista ready but since it's a free product and they will get an update when they get to an update. If we can believe Bill Gates last pronouncement that Microsoft has already sold more than 40 million copies of Vista, then IBM really ought to get a Vista ready SCR out to its customers. AFAIK SoftCopy Reader does not work properly on any OS. Fortunately, the last version of Library Reader still basically works under Vista the although some functions (particularly the mouse scroll wheel) no longer function. [...] Minor correction: it has *never* functioned. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2007 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci opacony) wynosi 118.064.140 z. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchwa XVI WZ z dnia 21.05.2003 r., kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 118.760.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped
On Wed, 16 May 2007 14:15:06 +0200, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Baron wrote: Of course, reading the softcopy manuals has become very difficult as well. Library Reader is no longer available (unless, of course you happen to have a very old library distribution - probably prior to 2001 or 2002 - laying around). AFAIK it is still available, but hidden - it's hard to find it out on IBM pages. Interesting - I've looked but never found it so I considered my lucky to have found a copy of it on one of the last OS/390 library distributions and kept it all these years. Softcopy Reader doesn't work properly, or at all, under Windows Vista. I opened an ETR to ask about this a couple of months ago and basically IBM's response was that SCR is not Vista ready but since it's a free product and they will get an update when they get to an update. If we can believe Bill Gates last pronouncement that Microsoft has already sold more than 40 million copies of Vista, then IBM really ought to get a Vista ready SCR out to its customers. AFAIK SoftCopy Reader does not work properly on any OS. I've had no problem with SCR until Vista. I have it working well on my WinXP system. Fortunately, the last version of Library Reader still basically works under Vista the although some functions (particularly the mouse scroll wheel) no longer function. [...] Minor correction: it has *never* functioned. You are correct about the mouse wheel scroll function. My apologies to the list. Mark -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2007 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci opacony) wynosi 118.064.140 z. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchwa XVI WZ z dnia 21.05.2003 r., kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 118.760.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped
Mark Baron wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007 14:15:06 +0200, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Baron wrote: Of course, reading the softcopy manuals has become very difficult as well. Library Reader is no longer available (unless, of course you happen to have a very old library distribution - probably prior to 2001 or 2002 - laying around). AFAIK it is still available, but hidden - it's hard to find it out on IBM pages. Interesting - I've looked but never found it so I considered my lucky to have found a copy of it on one of the last OS/390 library distributions and kept it all these years. http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?doc=4000232org=SWrs=0 -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2007 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci opacony) wynosi 118.064.140 z. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchwa XVI WZ z dnia 21.05.2003 r., kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 118.760.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped
Mark Baron wrote: Of course, reading the softcopy manuals has become very difficult as well. Library Reader is no longer available (unless, of course you happen to have a very old library distribution - probably prior to 2001 or 2002 - laying around). Softcopy Reader doesn't work properly, or at all, under Windows Vista. I opened an ETR to ask about this a couple of months ago and basically IBM's response was that SCR is not Vista ready but since it's a free product and they will get an update when they get to an update. If we can believe Bill Gates last pronouncement that Microsoft has already sold more than 40 million copies of Vista, then IBM really ought to get a Vista ready SCR out to its customers. Fortunately, the last version of Library Reader still basically works under Vista the although some functions (particularly the mouse scroll wheel) no longer function. If anyone on the list needs a copy, reply to me offline and I'll send you a .zip file with it. That's one of those things that I burned onto a CD-ROM, so I have a permanent copy that I can re-install as needed. :-) I've NEVER been able to get SCR to work. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped
On Wed, 16 May 2007 08:41:41 -0500, Rick Fochtman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Baron wrote: Of course, reading the softcopy manuals has become very difficult as well. Library Reader is no longer available (unless, of course you happen to have a very old library distribution - probably prior to 2001 or 2002 - laying around). Softcopy Reader doesn't work properly, or at all, under Windows Vista. I opened an ETR to ask about this a couple of months ago and basically IBM's response was that SCR is not Vista ready but since it's a free product and they will get an update when they get to an update. If we can believe Bill Gates last pronouncement that Microsoft has already sold more than 40 million copies of Vista, then IBM really ought to get a Vista ready SCR out to its customers. Fortunately, the last version of Library Reader still basically works under Vista the although some functions (particularly the mouse scroll wheel) no longer function. If anyone on the list needs a copy, reply to me offline and I'll send you a .zip file with it. That's one of those things that I burned onto a CD-ROM, so I have a permanent copy that I can re-install as needed. :-) I've NEVER been able to get SCR to work. Have you tried SCR 3.6 - it's dated late 2006 and I downloaded it this past Feb for a WinXp machine and it worked first try out of the box. It's a large download (more than 64Mb) but it does work for me -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On 5/16/2007 7:56 AM, Mark Baron wrote: Of course, reading the softcopy manuals has become very difficult as well. There's always reading them on the web, assuming you have an Internet connection. Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped
Thompson, Steve wrote: Folks: Just in case some of you weren't around in the mid-80s doing development and the like, IBM decided to go OCO (we will drop the cause of this decision) and the CEO (Ackers - if I remember the spelling of his name) promised that nothing would go OCO until it had been correctly documented. NaSPA was hot on IBM about this and many of us watched as this promise was, well, given short shrift. I think I've still got my Just say NO to OCO T-shirt that I bought at a NaSTEC. I wore it the next year but the NaSPA hard line against OCO seemed to have evaporated. A NaSTEC attendee pointed to my T-shirt and asked what OCO stood for. How quickly we forget... :) Cheers, Greg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped
On Tue, 15 May 2007 22:28:49 +1000, Greg Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thompson, Steve wrote: Folks: Just in case some of you weren't around in the mid-80s doing development and the like, IBM decided to go OCO (we will drop the cause of this decision) and the CEO (Ackers - if I remember the spelling of his name) promised that nothing would go OCO until it had been correctly documented. NaSPA was hot on IBM about this and many of us watched as this promise was, well, given short shrift. I think I've still got my Just say NO to OCO T-shirt that I bought at a NaSTEC. Did they ever sell similar T-shirts at any SHARE conferences? What year and city.if anyone remembers? ...mhyI -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 08:59 -0500, Mark H. Young wrote: Did they ever sell similar T-shirts at any SHARE conferences? There were buttons, of course. Search Barry Merrill's collection: http://www.mxg.com/thebuttonman/search.asp for OCO. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped
The IBM and z/OS strategy for disseminating programming information is undergoing a significant amount of change. Part of this change will be the withdrawal of the Data Areas publications in favor of web delivery of the detailed data areas information based off of the z/OS Library Center website. The format and content of each of the data areas will remain unchanged. To improve the accuracy of the documentation, processes are being enhanced to automatically create the information when a mapping is changed. Scott Fagen z/OS Core Technology Design IBM Poughkeepsie -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In a message dated 5/15/2007 2:41:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: unchanged. To improve the accuracy of the documentation, processes are being enhanced to automatically create the information when a mapping is changed. Will there be dual pathing for DOC APARS so can track with conventional means??? ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On May 15, 2007, at 9:30 AM, Ed Finnell wrote: In a message dated 5/15/2007 8:59:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did they ever sell similar T-shirts at any SHARE conferences? What year and city.if anyone remembers? Ed, I seem to remember in the 1988 or 1989 tshirts but don't remember which city(s). Ed Barry's got a button DB at _www.mxg.com_ (http://www.mxg.com) (he am the Buttonman!) You can listen to Boney Fingers or search the button DB (12 hits for OCO). The names and faces are kinda sparse. ** See what's free at http:// www.aol.com. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped
At 07:16 -0400 on 05/15/2007, Peter Relson wrote about Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped: The strategic direction is to remove the data area books (JES2 and JES3 data areas have already been deleted), and the data areas will be generated automatically from the code. IOW: Assemble and Print (or archive) the HASPDOC Module. The only problem is that aside from the Comments in the DSECT Entries, you have little overview documentation (such as what the purpose of the Control Block is, how it is used. and how it is connected with other Control Blocks - All of which is in the manual but not necessarily in the DSECT Mapping Macros. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 10:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped /snip/ The following is their [IBM's] official policy and response: direct quote from ETR ACTION TAKEN: Received following information from Debbie N. (USS ID group). --- The strategic direction is to remove the data area books (JES2 and JES3 data areas have already been deleted), and the data areas will be generated automatically from the code. The z/OS USS ID group will look into including the missing z/OS USS macros. --- / direct quote from ETR If this particular statement of direction sends chills through you as it does me, then perhaps you need to make your voices heard. -- Regards, Steve Thompson /snip/ A large number of data areas are already documented in the manuals using programmatically obtained information. The commentary is lifted verbatim from the macro expansion (possibly using some form of ADATA analysis or list scraping software). Although it is an efficient way to gather documentation, the lack of programming insight (for lack of a better characterization) on how to use the data area is quite annoying. If it's not written inside the macro, then it won't appear in the data area manual. My humble interpretation (meaning it's probably wrong) of IBM's response is that they intend to stop using technical writers to interpret macro expansions then translating to a data area manual. Instead, the data area documentation will be generated exclusively by programmatic analysis of the macro expansion, and the burden for accurate documentation will fall upon the macro developers, rather than the technical writers. 2 cents worth. your mileage may vary. Jeffrey D. Smith Principal Product Architect Farsight Systems Corporation 700 KEN PRATT BLVD. #204-159 LONGMONT, CO 80501-6452 303-774-9381 direct 303-484-6170 FAX http://www.farsight-systems.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is 'OCO' ? Thanks there were several OCO-wars threads/discussion on vmshare. it was somewhat more of an issue in vm culture ... since source maintenance was standard and there were extensive amount of customer source changes available from waterloo/share library. tymshare had provided online computer conferencing for share called vmshare starting in mid-70s; in part, because tymshare offered vm-based commercial timesharing service (later tymshare would also offer pcshare online computer conferencing) ... lots/misc posts about vm-based online commercial timesharing services http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#timeshare vmshare archives here: http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/ following is sample by doing a search on oco war in browse mode against all memo, note, and prob files. OCO's 10th b'day http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/browse?fn=OCO:BDAYft=MEMO OCO source business http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/browse?fn=OCOBUSft=MEMO issue sort of dates back to 23jun69 unbundling announcement with start to charge for application software. misc. past posts mentioning unbundling http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#unbundle initially only application software was charged for ... using an excuse that kernel/system software was required for operation of the hardware. later various circumstances precipitated decision to start charging for system software. this was about the time that my resource manager was going to be released ... so it got selected to be initial guinea pig for policty/practices related to kernel software charging. http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#fairshare change to charging for software eventually also evolved into Object-Code-Only (i.e. OCO, no source). recent post also mentioning 23jun69 unbundling announcement resulted in start charging for SE services. http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#65 Help settle a job title/role debate -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
