Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-17 Thread Hal Merritt
IBM would select 415. But, then, at the time, IBM was (in)famous for being incompatible. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SEMI off

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-17 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:13:25 -0600, Hal Merritt wrote: Given the availability of 400 Hz components, it baffled me why IBM would select 415. But, then, at the time, IBM was (in)famous for being incompatible. I just got out of a meeting with a vendor. Somehow IBM came up and he said, It's Big

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-11 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:32:31 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote: I was accustomed, decades ago, to hearing 400 Hz. Was it always 415 Hz., subject to verbal shorthand? Yes. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-10 Thread Gary Green
Sounds like the old NVIP site... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Falcone Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SEMI off topic We had fail-over to battery then to diesel. You

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-10 Thread Patrick Falcone
Subject: Re: SEMI off topic We had fail-over to battery then to diesel. You could hear the turbines on the Pa. turnpike a couple hundred meters prior to the Philly exit eastbound. I just googled and it looks like anywhere from 4 - 6 ms

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-10 Thread Gary Green
. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Falcone Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SEMI off topic Yes. It's a damn shame, it's now history as of this past Sunday, well what was left of us

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-10 Thread Patrick Falcone
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SEMI off topic Yes. It's a damn shame, it's now history as of this past Sunday, well what was left of us over there. I stopped by and popped a few face plates off what was left of the hardware, took the international

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-10 Thread Gary Green
: Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SEMI off topic Filmways corporation owned them quite a while back for a few years. Combined then bought it. Everyone that was left got outsourced. Probably Betsy. Gary Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, I did not know

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-10 Thread John Eells
Tom Marchant wrote: On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:36:22 -, Phil Payne wrote: ... every machine was powered via motor-generators. For those of you who might not know what that was or why, the processors of that time generally specified 415 Hz three phase power to operate them. snip True at

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-10 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John Eells Tom Marchant wrote: On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:36:22 -, Phil Payne wrote: ... every machine was powered via motor-generators. For those of you who might not know what that was or why, the

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-10 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip- True at the high end only. e.g., 168s used MGs because they used 415Hz power but 158s did not; they just used regular old 3-phase 60Hz 220V power. I never did know why, though. I always wondered whether it was to keep the number and size of

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:23:22 -0600, Rick Fochtman wrote: snip- (John Eells) True at the high end only. e.g., 168s used MGs because they used 415Hz power but 158s did not; they just used regular old 3-phase 60Hz 220V power. I was accustomed, decades

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-09 Thread R.S.
Paul Gilmartin wrote: [...] The phrase was even for a second or two. The article makes it pretty clear that the flywheels run all the time and there is zero interruption. Back to the future. Flywheels were in use in 60's. Not in IT, but in industries, i.e. in yarn productions (synthetic

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-09 Thread Rugen, Len
Maybe a Mythbuster question, but could they really stop your watch? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Marchant Sent: Wed 1/9/2008 8:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SEMI off topic On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:36:22 -, Phil Payne

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-09 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:36:22 -, Phil Payne wrote: ... every machine was powered via motor-generators. For those of you who might not know what that was or why, the processors of that time generally specified 415 Hz three phase power to operate them. The utilities provide 60 Hz (in the USA)

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-09 Thread Ed Gould
On Jan 9, 2008, at 6:08 AM, R.S. wrote: Paul Gilmartin wrote: [...] The phrase was even for a second or two. The article makes it pretty clear that the flywheels run all the time and there is zero interruption. Back to the future. Flywheels were in use in 60's. Not in IT, but in

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-09 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip-- Maybe a Mythbuster question, but could they really stop your watch? --unsnip-- Depended on the watch and the MG set. Anti-magnetic watches were unaffected, but I lost a couple cheap Timex watches that way. The MG

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-09 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SEMI off topic -snip-- Maybe a Mythbuster question

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-09 Thread Patrick Falcone
We had fail-over to battery then to diesel. You could hear the turbines on the Pa. turnpike a couple hundred meters prior to the Philly exit eastbound. I just googled and it looks like anywhere from 4 - 6 ms. Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its been an interesting discussion. Thanks all

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-09 Thread Hal Merritt
and environmental issues make this technology well worth a close look. My $0.02 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SEMI off topic Paul Gilmartin wrote

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-09 Thread R.S.
Ed Gould wrote: [...] its been an interesting discussion. Thanks all for contributing. One question remains in my mind though what is the allowable time power maybe interrupted to a CPU ? 1 NS (nanosecond) ? or 0 NS? or ? As I said in my original piece I am not familiar with UPS's and could

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-08 Thread Steve Thompson
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:24:49 -0600, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not specifically MAINFRAME question But I ran across this article that talks about replacing their UPS with a fly wheel system (please read the article) at http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-08 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:24:49 -0600, Ed Gould wrote: (please read the article) at http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid80_gci1288892,00.html?track=NL-455ad=619599asrc=EM_NLN_2844322uid=6570353 Watch the wrap above Repaired, I hope. You can avoid this problem

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-08 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:12:47 -0600, Steve Thompson wrote: (please read the article) at http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid80_gci1288892,00.html?track=NL-455ad=619599asrc=EM_NLN_2844322uid=6570353 I don't think the person that wrote that article was really up

Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-08 Thread John S. Giltner, Jr.
Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:12:47 -0600, Steve Thompson wrote: (please read the article) at http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid80_gci1288892,00.html?track=NL-455ad=619599asrc=EM_NLN_2844322uid=6570353 I don't think the person that wrote