Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-18 Thread Keryx Web
Steph Fox skrev: Would anyone still planning to vote please include a *brief* explanation of why they're making the choices they're making? OK. I'm in favour of number 3. My main involvement with PHP is teaching it. I spend an endless amount of time tracking down misplaced or omitted

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-18 Thread Josh Davis
2008/10/18 Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Triple colon as in suggestion 1 and 2 is a readability nightmare - yes in both suggestions. Is that why you voted for 3? Because triple colons are hard to read? JD -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit:

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-18 Thread Daniel Brown
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Josh Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/10/18 Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Triple colon as in suggestion 1 and 2 is a readability nightmare - yes in both suggestions. Is that why you voted for 3? Because triple colons are hard to read? Is that a problem?

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-18 Thread Josh Davis
2008/10/18 Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Josh Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/10/18 Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Triple colon as in suggestion 1 and 2 is a readability nightmare - yes in both suggestions. Is that why you voted for 3? Because triple

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-18 Thread Catalin Zamfir Alexandru | KIT Software CAZ
] Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 9:41 PM To: Daniel Brown Cc: Keryx Web; internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2 2008/10/18 Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Josh Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/10/18 Keryx Web [EMAIL

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-18 Thread Steph Fox
That wouldn't be the right thread to discuss the merits of a solution, anyway. This thread is about the tally, and I'm trying to interpret it. I did actually keep tabs on this. Yes the choice of separator played a part for many. However there were just as many who were happy with it - and the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-18 Thread Josh Davis
2008/10/18 Steph Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I did actually keep tabs on this. Yes the choice of separator played a part for many. However there were just as many who were happy with it - and the same would have applied whatever separator was used. What I'm wondering is how many of those many voted

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-18 Thread Steph Fox
Josh, please... What I'm wondering is how many of those many voted for or against a proposition for the wrong reason. For instance, how many users understood that 2 is not about the use of triple colon? If someone disregarded 2 because of the triple colon then it was a mistake, as the triple

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-18 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
Hi Steph 2008/10/18 Steph Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That wouldn't be the right thread to discuss the merits of a solution, anyway. This thread is about the tally, and I'm trying to interpret it. I did actually keep tabs on this. Yes the choice of separator played a part for many. However there

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-17 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 17.10.2008, at 04:18, Steph Fox wrote: just wondering if there are any cut of dates for the tally dates / rounds etc? When this tally started out, I'd been told that there had to be a cut-and-dried answer by tonight or forget it. We are not ready yet. So for now I will not force a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-17 Thread Steph Fox
Hi Lukas, We are not ready yet. So for now I will not force a decision just yet. Hopefully next week ... I'm going to stop this tally at 50 responses. That should be enough to show us where people generally are coming from. - Steph -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-17 Thread Chris Stockton
I would like to vote for #3. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Steph Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lukas, We are not ready yet. So for now I will not force a decision just yet. Hopefully next week ... I'm going to stop this tally at 50 responses. That should be enough to show us where

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-17 Thread Daniel Brown
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Chris Stockton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to stop this tally at 50 responses. That should be enough to show us where people generally are coming from. There are about six total concurrent threads on this right now. Would it make sense to create an

[PHP-DEV] Ответ: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-17 Thread Arvids Godjuks
My vote is for option #3 and for Gregs proposal too. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-17 Thread Steph Fox
Hi Daniel, There are about six total concurrent threads on this right now. Would it make sense to create an OFFICIAL voting thread and *only* count new votes posted to that thread from now until the fifty-vote mark? Otherwise it seems that it introduces more confusion into an already loaded

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-17 Thread Catalin Zamfir Alexandru | KIT Software CAZ
@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2 Hi Daniel, There are about six total concurrent threads on this right now. Would it make sense to create an OFFICIAL voting thread and *only* count new votes posted to that thread from now until the fifty-vote mark? Otherwise

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-17 Thread Steph Fox
Seems everyone is going for #3 ... I'm with the crowd. +1 on #3. OK, this isn't a good reason. Please try to treat this poll with some seriousness. The voting patterns became skewed from here on, so the poll's still 5 votes away from completion because I can't sanely use wildcard votes.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-17 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! cut-and-dried answer by tonight or forget it. Then it was pointed out to me that Stas' proposal wasn't getting a fair hearing. Then it turned out So far, my proposals hardly got any hearing at all, fair or otherwise - they were totally ignored on the vote - never even mentioned except

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-17 Thread Steph Fox
Hi Stas, So far, my proposals hardly got any hearing at all, fair or otherwise - they were totally ignored on the vote - never even mentioned except for the note in Greg's wiki (which, despite being incorrect, was never fixed or changed), and it looks like at least some of the persons were

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-17 Thread Mike Willbanks
1. #3 - it is much cleaner to read than the other implementations in resolving the conflict. a different separator will be much harder to simply see from a comparison. in a state where many people are in fact doing code reviews and as it gets larger into big business the easier to read is going

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-17 Thread Josh Davis
2008/10/17 Mike Willbanks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1. #3 - it is much cleaner to read than the other implementations in resolving the conflict. a different separator will be much harder to simply see from a comparison. I beg to differ. A different separator (namespace scope resolution operator)

[PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-16 Thread Nathan Rixham
Steph Fox wrote: I was hoping to have at least 30 respondees at this stage, but actually have 29 (and that includes Hannes' abstention). However, to keep y'all up to date, here's where we're up to with Greg's proposals. Option #3 is in the lead, but that lead is still pretty fragile; there

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2

2008-10-16 Thread Steph Fox
just wondering if there are any cut of dates for the tally dates / rounds etc? When this tally started out, I'd been told that there had to be a cut-and-dried answer by tonight or forget it. Then it was pointed out to me that Stas' proposal wasn't getting a fair hearing. Then it turned out