Re: [PHP-DEV] Concern around growing complexity in engine - hash table specifically

2015-04-09 Thread Julien Pauli
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Dmitry Stogov dmi...@zend.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Julien Pauli jpa...@php.net wrote: On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:55 PM, Dmitry Stogov dmi...@zend.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Anthony Ferrara ircmax...@gmail.com wrote: All,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Concern around growing complexity in engine - hash table specifically

2015-04-09 Thread Dmitry Stogov
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Julien Pauli jpa...@php.net wrote: On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:55 PM, Dmitry Stogov dmi...@zend.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Anthony Ferrara ircmax...@gmail.com wrote: All, I spent a little bit of time today trying to debug an issue with 7

Re: [PHP-DEV] Concern around growing complexity in engine - hash table specifically

2015-04-09 Thread Anthony Ferrara
Julien, On Apr 9, 2015 7:52 AM, Julien Pauli jpa...@php.net wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Dmitry Stogov dmi...@zend.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Julien Pauli jpa...@php.net wrote: On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:55 PM, Dmitry Stogov dmi...@zend.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 3,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Concern around growing complexity in engine - hash table specifically

2015-04-09 Thread Julien Pauli
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:55 PM, Dmitry Stogov dmi...@zend.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Anthony Ferrara ircmax...@gmail.com wrote: All, I spent a little bit of time today trying to debug an issue with 7 that Drupal 8 was facing, specifically regarding an array index not

RE: [PHP-DEV] Concern around growing complexity in engine - hash table specifically

2015-04-09 Thread Anthony Ferrara
Fancois, On Apr 9, 2015 10:16 AM, François Laupretre franc...@php.net wrote: De : Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com] If we were using a pure abstraction (only accessing the hash table information through the public API), then fine because it's isolated. However, many

RE: [PHP-DEV] Concern around growing complexity in engine - hash table specifically

2015-04-09 Thread François Laupretre
De : Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com] If we were using a pure abstraction (only accessing the hash table information through the public API), then fine because it's isolated. However, many extensions and even places in core access hash table structure directly (as can be seen by

Re: [PHP-DEV] Concern around growing complexity in engine - hash table specifically

2015-04-08 Thread Dmitry Stogov
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Anthony Ferrara ircmax...@gmail.com wrote: All, I spent a little bit of time today trying to debug an issue with 7 that Drupal 8 was facing, specifically regarding an array index not behaving correctly ($array[key] returned null, even though the key existed

Re: [PHP-DEV] Concern around growing complexity in engine - hash table specifically

2015-04-08 Thread Anthony Ferrara
Andi, On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Andi Gutmans a...@zend.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Anthony Ferrara ircmax...@gmail.com wrote: All, I spent a little bit of time today trying to debug an issue with 7 that Drupal 8 was facing, specifically regarding an array index not

Re: [PHP-DEV] Concern around growing complexity in engine - hash table specifically

2015-04-08 Thread Adam Harvey
On 8 April 2015 at 08:16, Anthony Ferrara ircmax...@gmail.com wrote: Sophistication is fine. What worries me though is magic. What worries me is the growing inability to debug with normal tools. Perhaps we need a GDB extension to provide tooling for common debugging tasks. Heck, even dumping a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Concern around growing complexity in engine - hash table specifically

2015-04-07 Thread Andi Gutmans
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Anthony Ferrara ircmax...@gmail.com wrote: All, I spent a little bit of time today trying to debug an issue with 7 that Drupal 8 was facing, specifically regarding an array index not behaving correctly ($array[key] returned null, even though the key existed