[PHP-DEV] Re: 5.4 alpha, was: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd)

2011-06-15 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! Stas, on a different note, weren't we going to roll a 5.4 alpha? I was going to write about it soon, but since you asked: I was waiting for RFC/voting discussion and vote in hope that we could get it all ready before the alpha, but it looks like it is taking longer than expected. So I

答复: [PHP-DEV] Re: 5.4 alpha, was: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd)

2011-06-15 Thread 高春辉
+1, for Thursday :-) -邮件原件- 发件人: Stas Malyshev [mailto:smalys...@sugarcrm.com] 发送时间: 2011年6月15日 15:24 收件人: Andi Gutmans 抄送: PHP Developers Mailing List 主题: [PHP-DEV] Re: 5.4 alpha, was: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd) Hi! Stas, on a different note, weren't we going to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd)

2011-06-15 Thread Pierre Joye
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Andi Gutmans a...@zend.com wrote: Hence my suggestion to bundle MongoDB extension and possibly work on additional extensions. Some of my suggestions probably rightfully didn't get much interest such as Thrift. See my comment in your other thread and below.

[PHP-DEV] Re: your file duplication discussion

2011-06-15 Thread Ferenc Kovacs
okay, CC-ed the list. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote: hi, Please do continue this discussion on internals, there are no valid reason to go private. Thanks for your understanding, On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Ferenc Kovacs i...@tyrael.hu

[PHP-DEV] Getting a list of registered namespaces.

2011-06-15 Thread Richard Quadling
Hi. With pecl/http (DEV-2 branch) and the Functional extension (on github) both creating namespaces within the extension, I think there is a requirement for a mechanism to allow an extension to record the namespace(s) that it has, in a similar fashion to how functions and classes are known to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Getting a list of registered namespaces.

2011-06-15 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! With pecl/http (DEV-2 branch) and the Functional extension (on github) both creating namespaces within the extension, I think there is a requirement for a mechanism to allow an extension to record the namespace(s) that it has, in a similar fashion to how functions and classes are known to

[PHP-DEV] Re: 5.4 alpha, was: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion

2011-06-15 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! The original plan was this week, so maybe this Thursday? After some consideration, we decided to do it on next Monday, the 20th. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/ (408)454-6900 ext. 227 -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To

[PHP-DEV] Re: 5.4 alpha, was: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd)

2011-06-15 Thread David Soria Parra
On 2011-06-15, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote: Hi! Stas, on a different note, weren't we going to roll a 5.4 alpha? I was going to write about it soon, but since you asked: I was waiting for RFC/voting discussion and vote in hope that we could get it all ready before the

RE: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd)

2011-06-15 Thread Andi Gutmans
-Original Message- From: Pierre Joye [mailto:pierre@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 2:33 AM To: Andi Gutmans Cc: Derick Rethans; PHP Developers Mailing List Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd) On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Andi Gutmans

Re: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd)

2011-06-15 Thread dukeofgaming
Hi, I think that —in any context— the if it aint broke don't fix it is a very depressing attitude to have, and a very wrong one in any open source community. If the signal to noise ratio is the problem, I think its better to focus on that problem, not shutting down the signal. If PHP is a

RE: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd)

2011-06-15 Thread Andi Gutmans
What I am saying is if we accepted even 50% of what people felt very passionate about because their favorite language of the day has it then PHP would become overly complex, bloated and very challenging for users to pick up. C++ for example was a good language but is a good example of trying to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd)

2011-06-15 Thread Pascal COURTOIS
Le 16/06/2011 04:36, dukeofgaming a écrit : Hi, I think that —in any context— the if it aint broke don't fix it is a very depressing attitude to have, and a very wrong one in any open source community. What I feel depressing is the urge of the PHP core team to fix working features

Re: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd)

2011-06-15 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! On every PHP project I work on I had to find workarounds because PHP crashes. Behaviour bugs (feature not working as intended) are annoying but memory leaks and memory corruptions are just a no no no in production environment. The only way A key to fixing memory corruption is

Re: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd)

2011-06-15 Thread Pascal COURTOIS
Le 16/06/2011 07:23, Stas Malyshev a écrit : Hi! On every PHP project I work on I had to find workarounds because PHP crashes. Behaviour bugs (feature not working as intended) are annoying but memory leaks and memory corruptions are just a no no no in production environment. The only way