into us vs. them attitude. Is there a war or what? Isn't there
enough conflict so that one must look so hard to create a new one?
Or maybe it is worth considering that having good database support is
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this thread popped up. It almost seems like the beginnings of a
long-term hostile takeover plan, beginning quietly in the shadows.
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in the world but no support for what people need - people won't
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We welcome any and all contributions, of course, but where there are
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such encoding is necessary?
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Could you explain in which context? I.e. say I had a broken browser, and
some JSON data having foo inside it - in which context that could get
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I don't think I understand that, so I guess it would help to have such
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it, stick it into DOM, get XSS and start blogging about huge
XSS in supposedly secure json_encode() function in PHP.
Or, not seeing how it can help them, won't use it at all.
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benchmark setups that this could be researched -
i.e. describe what was benchmarked and how to reproduce it?
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believing PHP include is so broken, but if it
is - it should be fixed, not through creating syntax-level workarounds
but directly.
really the only reason not to implement the multiple namespaces per-file
I think I described my reasons now multiple times.
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base64_encode() uses. Same thing for this json_encode() feature. We
can come up with a set of scenarios where we would like to avoid having
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results ?
Results of what?
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($json, ENT_NOQUOTES)
solve it?
But this use case makes sense, so I suppose if one uses json to output
the data inside HTML (as opposed to sending out in response to AJAX
request for example) one would want to use such option. Thanks for
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somebody on the list said it's so much faster, and any mark can
be set by anybody.
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that could see some real benefits from this code. My suggestion is that
we make this feature a compile time flag, that's off by default and
What about binary compatibility?
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or not?
b) is going to be eliminated over time
What is going to be eliminated, the slowdown? How?
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it as it
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of a syscall? because that's the main
stumbling block here, at least as I understand it.
I strongly suspect performance difference in bundles does not follow
from syscalls. On include() PHP does a lot more than just issue a couple
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this compile switch.
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. But how it has anything to do with removing
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a good idea
- we'd have to keep track of killed names, and since class can be named
in a lot of ways - i.e. if you have name A::B::C::D you can alias any
part of name, it would become messy.
Why exactly you need to rename existing classes?
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' now) in the global space, so how are
you going to prevent people from doing that?
I can't. I can only hope they would do it right, I can't force them to
do it right :)
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Namespace support is for people who didn't name their classes/functions
properly.
Here's a claim so weird I don't know how to parse it.
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Anyway, I'm not against namespaces but the way they are planned to be
implemented currently I'm not really excited about them either.
So you are proposing to improve them how?
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namespaces work right now. If you
refuse to learn about it, it can't be helped, however that just means
you deny yourself a very useful tool.
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be made to do much more than it
already does.
Leaving braces aside (please!), what capabilities that were not
discussed before do you need?
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it well so people would have clear understanding
what it can and can't do - now that we seem to have good understanding
what it is.
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, I was surprised that after all the explanations
people still make such strange claims which have nothing to do with what
namespaces really are.
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Well, OK, so that's your opinion. I disagree with it.
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discussed, so we
are down to one. I'd say we are in a pretty good shape :)
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= ?php json_encode($_GET['pleasehackme']) ?;
myDomElement.innerHTML = var.content;
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you are still in trouble, \u or not. Am I wrong?
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for discussing practical ones, but frankly I don't see any new
issues here worth delaying anything.
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on and turned
off have the same performance implications (slightly slower, a little
bit more memory) and the difference is mainly stability-wise?
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, and that doesn't happen until - well, we start using
them.
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of argument
one would
be required to use under some circumstances).
These problems being?
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it was updated, sorry for that.
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+1. If we allow multiple namespaces per file, then braces are an
absolute must for consistency IMO.
I do not see any relation between consistency and braces.
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would you? Not the same thing, but you get the idea.
Exactly: not the same thing. Only reason I see to consider allowing
multiple namespaces per file is performance reasons.
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I agree that braces are the way to go. Otherwise it's to easy to lose
track of what namespace you're working with.
This is simple - you always have one namespace per file.
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it in other people's code. Neither in yours :)
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prevents one from using new parameter
parsing API and why manual conversions doing the same are needed.
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One that doesn't break every script that didn't strictly stay with int
over the last 8 years or so.
Errm... I still don't understand. Could you give code example?
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idea. Also would kill namespaced functions and constants,
which would make organizing libraries using those impossible.
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of the array. If it is omitted, then the sequence
will have everything from offset up until the end of the array .
Meaning, basically, -1 is the same as omitted and the same as null?
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It builds without complaint and works as expected - what am I missing?
IS_NULL is variable type. length is variable value.
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So it's better to check for == 0? What's the difference? Is an IS_NULL
check slower?
No, it's not slower, but it makes no sense to compare variable value to
a type constant. Even if coincidentally constant value is the same one
you need to compare to.
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to internal class - and you'll understand why it makes sense.
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you mean. Could you
explain in more detail?
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and see if there's some file
implementing that class, search all include path for it and fail, and
only then use internal DateTime. That's not just fine.
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are not inside namespace Name::Space
but in global context.
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with Your::Namespace, how now it is going to prevent disk access?
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If the class for which autoloaded request is issued *exists*. However,
we are discussing the case where this class *does not exist*, so it can
not be loaded. Thus, autoload request will be repeated on each access to
such class.
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And didn't you say use is a NOP just two hours ago?
No, I didn't. I said use whatever; - where whatever is one-term name
- is a NOP.
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to happen *only* on the list. Of course, important
things need to be discussed on the list, and they are.
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to make in general case -
files can be created.
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binding of variables, but I don't see why that should stop us from
implementing, considering the benefits it gives in readability and
debugging.
I don't see how it'd help anything in debugging.
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and for that reason we should do it! Can't Wez simply apply this?
I think we saw numerous examples that commit first, think later
approach is not the best one...
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It doesn't help. Nobody reads the docs if he thinks he understands how
it should work anyway. Having disclaimer in the manual doesn't do much -
we are not worried about being sued, we are worried about feature
looking one way and actually working other way.
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function definition that isn't - is not a very good idea, IMO.
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branches just for
that purpose. Merging a branch is easy. Reverting a patch with changes
made over it is hard.
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for this use case, why on Earth not to use it?
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and the code harder to edit and understand?
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than having something that
looks like it but doesn't work. Saves time that would be spent
unsuccessfully trying to make it work.
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Well, the whole functional programming thing.
But PHP is not an FP language and wasn't built to be one. If one needs
an FP language, why not look into languages built with that purpose?
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having appropriate license.
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such patents, then you should do whatever you should
do in all other cases - if the code is your own and you don't know of
any trouble with it, contribute it, otherwise don't.
P.S. IANAL, for those who didn't know that :)
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PHP rules, some is done with CLAs.
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be more appealing ...
array_filter($my_data as $test) {
return 4 === ($test % 4);
}
No, it won't be. If you are looking for Scheme or Ruby, you know where
to find it :)
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of for everything in PHP. For instance
our object model has no abstract with default body, no MI, no delegates, no
overloading
Your point being?
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3) as the result of (1) and (2) it can be used for fast currying of
other functions
And why we need fast currying of other functions?
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they
need not worry).
I didn't hear such argument even once, so I have no idea who you are
arguing with right now.
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it is all about - which many people on the
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to ever know. Unless you prefer to get rid of people like me.
I can't believe you don't know the difference between NDA and CLA.
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There is apparently something. I won't let you continue. You cannot shut me
up because you don't like me disagreeing on any NDA or CLA. Yet unless as
I never intended to shut you up - you said that there's nothing to
discuss. Apparently, there is :)
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and when IBM can and can not
do :)
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on AMD Opteron. Anybody objects to accepting this?
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to blame it on not understandable
stuff if one has no intention to understand anything at the first
place, only to refuse it.
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solution. It allows to create very useful
and effective mapping mechanisms.
I don't see any reason to complicate the API - if you need it in your
autoload, you can easily split the full name into parts before and after
the final :: and achieve the same effect.
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the least).
That's what current proposal is doing. I can not have an opinion of how
good it does it since I didn't finish reviewing it yet.
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is indeed generated?
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the square bracket array syntax patch for PHP 5.3,
http://www.opendogs.org/pub/php-5.3dev-080101-sbar.patch
I remember we discussed that already and it was rejected then (even
though myself and Andi liked it) - did the people that objected then
change their minds?
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When the type hint says I want an integer, then only integer should be
accepted; no casting should be done. It may give predictable results
Why people that want Java just don't use Java I wonder? PHP never was a
strict static typed language.
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But with the current situation it feels very awkward. We get class and
array type hints but not the other scalar types?! :-/
Arrays and objects aren't scalar types, so other scalar types are in
fact all on them.
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to understand and handy to work with.
Having both strict and non-strict typing in the same language does not
seem like a good idea to me.
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instead of one - and you get the worst of
both worlds, not the best.
Strict typing allows very little room for type conversion. This is
optionally hinting the desired type of a function parameter.
That's not what I am hearing here on the list.
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sense at all, so distinguishing between them is
not the same as making hard distinction between integer and float and
string, and disabling conversion between them.
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